LibreOffice Online
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@Dashrender said:
Could businesses use this? Sure, but now they have to manage that platform themselves, or buy host space (not free).
Managing this is not something we know yet, so that has yet to be determined. But in theory it takes very little management and guaranteed it will be available in a hosted form.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender but is the cost of managing this more cost effective than Office 365 if you already have equipment. And if you are in need of a solution that is more flexible than google is (features and function) and cheaper then Microsoft; Wouldn't you.
Well we hope that assume that that is true, it could easily not be. At least not for small companies. But O365 storage is not like O365 email. Email is hugely reliably, massive storage numbers, very mature. ODfB is flaky, nascent and very small storage numbers.
It is pretty easy for the cost of users + storage that can easily happen on ODfB to make this way cheaper.
And don't forget that this is about LibreOffice vs. MS Office, not just ODfB vs. This. So it is the cost reduction in removing MS Office too. Adds up really quickly.
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So if we are looking at this holistically, how much is the end client paying for email? now how much are they paying for that server, software, backups, etc for files?
Roll them both together and you have O365 at a pretty damned awesome price, if you want Exchange.
If you don't care about Exchange, I'm sure Scott is right, eventually Rackspace and others will offer this along side their email services, maybe at a $1-2/month/user savings... I suppose that could be huge.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Could businesses use this? Sure, but now they have to manage that platform themselves, or buy host space (not free).
Managing this is not something we know yet, so that has yet to be determined. But in theory it takes very little management and guaranteed it will be available in a hosted form.
Exactly, but the hosted solution will almost certainly have a charge per user per month, just like O365.
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@Dashrender said:
So if we are looking at this holistically, how much is the end client paying for email? now how much are they paying for that server, software, backups, etc for files?
$4 for email always, no matter how you separate it out.
So in E plans, they are paying $4 for the extra hosting and storage. That's $4/user.
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@Dashrender said:
Exactly, but the hosted solution will almost certainly have a charge per user per month, just like O365.
NTG can offer it for a lot cheaper without doing it that way by doing it by capacity instead. Just like we do with VoIP. No reason to track users.
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@Dashrender said:
Roll them both together and you have O365 at a pretty damned awesome price, if you want Exchange.
It's a great package, but not if you want Exchange, only if you want Exchange AND Sharepoint. The Sharepoint portion is still $4/user just for that.
Considering you can get into something like LibreOffice hosting for $5 for unlimited users for similar capacity as Sharepoint and $10 for a lot more storage, it only takes a couple of users before you start saving money and once you get to six or more you start saving pretty quickly.
A 100 person business might spend $400/mo on that Sharepoint capacity and get the same on LibreOffice for more like $20 or maybe $40. That adds up.
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
That's $19,200/year!!
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Now that does not include backups. So let's double the number from the LibreOffice side and buffer a little. $100/mo is $1200/year. You are still looking at $18K of savings per 100 users.
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Now let's take that to another angle... you want more storage than either approach offers, you want things that are simple and you have 150 users.
Maybe you've been thinking about something big and reliable like a Scale cluster but haven't had the budget for it. Scott would never recommend bringing your email in house, right? Right. So assuming we keep Office 365 for Exchange and only bring ownCloud for ODfB and LibreOffice hosting in house we run them in HA VMs on a Scale cluster.... at 150 users the cost savings from the E3 plan alone will pay for you to buy a Scale cluster.....
every year.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
What functionality are you talking about?
And a 100 person company can definitely look at the SMB versions of O365 for $5/m/u, not $8.50.
And what kind of storage are you getting for $5 a month? a few hundred gig? With any O365 plan, you're getting 1 TB per user.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
What functionality are you talking about?
And a 100 person company can definitely look at the SMB versions of O365 for $5/m/u, not $8.50.
And what kind of storage are you getting for $5 a month? a few hundred gig? With any O365 plan, you're getting 1 TB per user.
SMB O365 does not have MS Office at $5, does it?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
I thought this thread was specifically about a hosted only version of LibreOffice, just like the SMB $5 version of O365 is just a hosted version of Office apps.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Now consider that the functionality we are talking about is only with the higher end packages, it is something like $8.50/user for SMB and is $16 on E3. So for a 100 person business as are talking about $1,600/mo in savings.
For the features, are you talking about the local install of LibreOffice? that you get with the higher levels.. OK that's true, now those prices make more sense.
That's what this thread is about specifically
I thought this thread was specifically about a hosted only version of LibreOffice, just like the SMB $5 version of O365 is just a hosted version of Office apps.
Ah you are correct. I remembered them adding that in 2011 and thought that this was more. Although to do what they are saying, it seems that it is likely that they will have to develop a document store solution as well. Maybe we will get both at once.
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@scottalanmiller Agreed, Not really sure how you can have one without the other and have it be super user friendly.
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@Dashrender Hopefully we get it so that we can do online editing and use local applications to edit remotely hosted files. Would be a massive win for the LibreOffice community.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender Hopefully we get it so that we can do online editing and use local applications to edit remotely hosted files. Would be a massive win for the LibreOffice community.
Definitely, and another business opportunity.
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@Dashrender You keep pushing the $5 Office Business Essentials plan. Have you used it? As I posted in another thread, it seem rather limited to me when it comes to working with documents in the online versions.
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It is limited, sure, but how limited? are you talking about users who live eat and breath Office apps? sure those people will hate online versions. But I only have 3 of those people in my office. The rest of my office can get away with the online only version. I'll buy 3 $12.50 licenses with full local Office and save the money on the rest.
