HyperV Nested Virtualization Announced for Container Support
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Azure, Amazon AWS, Rackspace, Softlayer, Digital Ocean, Vultr, etc. are all the same. Capacity is by minute or hour (you can choose larger blocks with AWS for discounts) and so you literally pay only for what you use. The idea of cloud is that you can elastically grow or contract as your load changes so that you are paying for only what you need rather than for your maximum needs all of the time.
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Ah well at least it's cost-viable, rather than being a flat rate minimum per month plus usage.
Sorry it's still early, not thinking very clearly.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Ah well at least it's cost-viable, rather than being a flat rate minimum per month plus usage.
Sorry it's still early, not thinking very clearly.
Very cost-viable. The issues are that you need to get that infrastructure up there in the case of an outage and that could be a bit of a problem since you presumably are offline and your entire infrastructure might be pretty big.
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So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Just play out the different "DR scenarios" and options. As I'm already thinking of 6 different questions.
- How do you get your hyper-v infrastructure to Azure in the event of an unplanned outage?
- Do they have some solution to keep a "ready-to-go" state of your hyper-v network/
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@DustinB3403 said:
So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Generally you would keep it synced there all of the time.
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@DustinB3403 said:
- Do they have some solution to keep a "ready-to-go" state of your hyper-v network/
You can copy to cold storage there.
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So question 3 how do "you" work if you have an unplanned outage, even if Azure is running your VM Fleet?
This is obviously a rhetorical question, and doesn't need an answer.
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That sounds like a great solution then, I wonder what the pricing options are, gonna do some research.
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@DustinB3403 said:
So question 3 how do "you" work if you have an unplanned outage, even if Azure is running your VM Fleet?
This is obviously a rhetorical question, and doesn't need an answer.
I'll offer an answer anyway.
Grab your laptop and go home... or to the nearest place with internet access. 
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@DustinB3403 said:
That sounds like a great solution then, I wonder what the pricing options are, gonna do some research.
Not sure if this is what you are looking for:
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https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/storage/ specifically.
But thanks
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Here is the pricing for site recovery. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/site-recovery/.
Is an instance an individual virtual machine? If that is the case the pricing isn't really that bad. Looks like you will also incur charges for storage transactions and usage.
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You pay for all usage, but only for usage not potential.
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@dafyre said:
@DustinB3403 I would think more portable as in live migration... You don't have any generators at your main site and the power company needs to take you down for 24 hours. You could then Migrate your Nested Hyper-V infrastructure to Azure for a day and not have to scramble to find generators and such, and you don't even have to scramble to bring things back up because they never go down.
That would be the way I see it. As I said, I may be completely out of my mind, but that is what I envision with containers.
We'll ignore the completely badly configured Hyper-V setup that you have now.
How small are your VMs that you could push them to Azure in less than 24 hours?
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@Dashrender This goes back to what he ws saying about keeping things in Sync.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Generally you would keep it synced there all of the time.
and how much does that cost? Yes I know this is a generic question that has no direct answer without knowing the amount of change, what your storage usage is, etc - but is it considered online and in usage when you don't have the VM's powered up?
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@dafyre said:
@Dashrender This goes back to what he ws saying about keeping things in Sync.
Yeah I was writing questions while reading the thread.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Generally you would keep it synced there all of the time.
and how much does that cost? Yes I know this is a generic question that has no direct answer without knowing the amount of change, what your storage usage is, etc - but is it considered online and in usage when you don't have the VM's powered up?
From looking at the backup and site recovery pricing the answer is no. You just pay for the data transfer and the storage. When you spin it up you start paying for the compute cycles.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Generally you would keep it synced there all of the time.
and how much does that cost? Yes I know this is a generic question that has no direct answer without knowing the amount of change, what your storage usage is, etc - but is it considered online and in usage when you don't have the VM's powered up?
Depends how you do it. Do you just have it stored cold dr? Do you have it built as VMs but off warm dr? Do you have the VMs up and running hot dr? All makes a difference.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@DustinB3403 said:
So one has to ask, if you have a site wide unplanned outage but do have access to Azure, how do you get your Hyper-V data to them so you can at least get to a functional state?
Generally you would keep it synced there all of the time.
and how much does that cost? Yes I know this is a generic question that has no direct answer without knowing the amount of change, what your storage usage is, etc - but is it considered online and in usage when you don't have the VM's powered up?
Depends how you do it. Do you just have it stored cold dr? Do you have it built as VMs but off warm dr? Do you have the VMs up and running hot dr? All makes a difference.
I would guess for most SMBs it would be the first or the second, probably the built VMs but off.
I looked at the VM storage cost - for my 2 TB that would be around $100/mth. Plus any transfer fee. Then it would be a matter of making the networking work.
