Just spit-balling here....
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@DustinB3403 said:
Here is another topic on a very close line to this one.
That's whitebox vs. OEM, it sounds like.
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@JaredBusch said:
I disagree. Buying all of the components and putting it together is homebrew.
Then every IBM/HP/Dell sever I've ever installed is homebrew I guess.
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@JaredBusch said:
I disagree. Buying all of the components and putting it together is homebrew.
@Dashrender said:
Then every IBM/HP/Dell sever I've ever installed is homebrew I guess.
You buy the components and put them all together?
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@JaredBusch said:
@JaredBusch said:
I disagree. Buying all of the components and putting it together is homebrew.
@Dashrender said:
Then every IBM/HP/Dell sever I've ever installed is homebrew I guess.
You buy the components and put them all together?
I buy the server and install the HDDs and RAM, and if needed, the second processor. Doesn't that qualify for what you are saying?
FYI, I'm also totally dogging you - I don't consider this homebrew in the least. Whiteboxes, things below SuperMicro are where homebrew comes to my mind.
The idea that @scottalanmiller mentions where people think that installing and OS suddenly makes a machine a homebrew is just ludicrous. That would make nearly every machine on the planet a homebrew, someone has to install it, or build the scripts, etc to do the install.
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@scottalanmiller is the only one who called install the OS a homebrew. no one else did.
@Dashrender said:
I buy the server and install the HDDs and RAM, and if needed, the second processor. Doesn't that qualify for what you are saying?Honestly, it damn near does. Why are you not buying this server built to spec? How much are you saving doing it yourself? How much time are you spending researching things and choosing components, etc.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
I buy the server and install the HDDs and RAM, and if needed, the second processor. Doesn't that qualify for what you are saying?
Honestly, it damn near does. Why are you not buying this server built to spec? How much are you saving doing it yourself? How much time are you spending researching things and choosing components, etc.
Hold the phone - who specs your servers? Don't you do that? meaning you need to do all that research to know what parts you want in the box?
Now sure, I could pay CDW to put all of the components into the chassis, but frankly I enjoy that bit of down time in the mental process.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller is the only one who called install the OS a homebrew. no one else did.
I thought he was quoting someone(s) from SW?
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller is the only one who called install the OS a homebrew. no one else did.
Was not me. I specifically say that this is never homebrew. I've only said the exact opposite.
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@Dashrender said:
The idea that @scottalanmiller mentions where people think that installing and OS suddenly makes a machine a homebrew is just ludicrous. That would make nearly every machine on the planet a homebrew, someone has to install it, or build the scripts, etc to do the install.
The term that people in SW use for installing your own OS repeatedly is "DIY". It was only @DustinB3403 that I've ever seen use homebrew and he was using it to be "crappy", FWICT.
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@Dashrender said:
Hold the phone - who specs your servers? Don't you do that? meaning you need to do all that research to know what parts you want in the box?
I do, but when I order, there is nothing to put together. It is ordered from Dell through my preferred vendor.
And my research is honestly minimal. There is no reason for anything SMB to even think too hard about server hardware. You want a dual proc system with as much RAM and HDD/SSD space in RAIDXX as needed.
It is rare for the SMB to need a server processor that is more expensive than the "Dell Recommends" processor.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The term that people in SW use for installing your own OS repeatedly is "DIY". It was only @DustinB3403 that I've ever seen use homebrew and he was using it to be "crappy", FWICT.
It would require me to spend more time in more sections of SW then to realize that.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
Hold the phone - who specs your servers? Don't you do that? meaning you need to do all that research to know what parts you want in the box?
I do, but when I order, there is nothing to put together. It is ordered from Dell through my preferred vendor.
And my research is honestly minimal. There is no reason for anything SMB to even think too hard about server hardware. You want a dual proc system with as much RAM and HDD/SSD space in RAIDXX as needed.
It is rare for the SMB to need a server processor that is more expensive than the "Dell Recommends" processor.
I'll give you that - but I don't buy Dell servers, I've been exclusively HP and IBM (but can't buy IBM anymore). As I said I could pay CDW, or whomever I buy from next since I've ditched CDW as my vendor, to put the parts together, but I enjoy that part.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The term that people in SW use for installing your own OS repeatedly is "DIY". It was only @DustinB3403 that I've ever seen use homebrew and he was using it to be "crappy", FWICT.
It would require me to spend more time in more sections of SW then to realize that.
I get it a lot. Every time someone suggests making a file server instead of buying a super expensive enterprise NAS someone almost certainly will pop in an calling it a "DIY NAS" rather than an "enterprise file server." And it is people talking about installing Linux or Windows on a Proliant or PowerEdge nearly every time. It's like the secret backhand marketing of the NAS industry or something.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The term that people in SW use for installing your own OS repeatedly is "DIY". It was only @DustinB3403 that I've ever seen use homebrew and he was using it to be "crappy", FWICT.
It would require me to spend more time in more sections of SW then to realize that.
I get it a lot. Every time someone suggests making a file server instead of buying a super expensive enterprise NAS someone almost certainly will pop in an calling it a "DIY NAS" rather than an "enterprise file server." And it is people talking about installing Linux or Windows on a Proliant or PowerEdge nearly every time. It's like the secret backhand marketing of the NAS industry or something.
Who is saying that? a NAS vendor or a SW user?
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@Dashrender All of the Above.
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I wouldn't listen to NAS vendors - of course they will do anything they can to undermine the competition, but you can give a little credit to the SW users, assuming they are providing a solution that makes sense, which in this case sounds like they aren't and instead are just regurgitating what the vendors have sold them.
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@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
I buy the server and install the HDDs and RAM, and if needed, the second processor. Doesn't that qualify for what you are saying?
Honestly, it damn near does. Why are you not buying this server built to spec? How much are you saving doing it yourself? How much time are you spending researching things and choosing components, etc.
Hold the phone - who specs your servers? Don't you do that? meaning you need to do all that research to know what parts you want in the box?
Now sure, I could pay CDW to put all of the components into the chassis, but frankly I enjoy that bit of down time in the mental process.
We just bought four new blades with 1TB of RAM. And we buy tons of equipment all the time. Ain't nobody got time to put in RAM!
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@PSX_Defector said:
We just bought four new blades with 1TB of RAM. And we buy tons of equipment all the time. Ain't nobody got time to put in RAM!
They pay you to much to even install the blade, let alone the RAM on the blade.
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@Dashrender said:
@PSX_Defector said:
We just bought four new blades with 1TB of RAM. And we buy tons of equipment all the time. Ain't nobody got time to put in RAM!
They pay you to much to even install the blade, let alone the RAM on the blade.
Well, someone gotta put it in. And that's the smarthands in the DC.
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Yup, although when I worked with enormous datacenters for Wall St. we were modifying drives, CPUs, memory, etc. all of the time. That's because we had our own dedicated server bench department (think A+ techs but for the datacenter) who did mobo replcaements, RAID card replacements, set up ILOs, etc. all day, every day. So modifying Proliants and SunFires was daily work and done constantly so that every team had custom builds, whether new or recommissioned, all of the time.
