Virtualization Redemption?
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Because there are only three VMs to convert, I feel like the cost of conversion is likely to be very competitive (and in your favour personally because the money goes to you instead of to VMware, but that should not be a deciding factor, just one of those facts of consulting life) with licensing ESXi while providing many additional features and lowering low term risk. If it was a hundred tiny VMs, maybe the opposite. But three big ones, not much manual effort, hopefully.
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Veeam backs up to it's own file type - I don't think you can just load those files up on a new host and make them work like this scenario mentions.
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@coliver said:
@hubtechagain said:
so hyper v 2012 = hypervisor and is free?
Hyper-V 2012 R2. Is a hypervisor and like all hypervisors is free.
Well, that's not quite right..
Sure ESXi has a free version, but that free version doesn't include the backup APIs, so it's not Apples to Apples.
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@coliver said:
@hubtechagain said:
so hyper v 2012 = hypervisor and is free?
Hyper-V 2012 R2. Is a hypervisor and like all hypervisors is free.
It is important to note that this is all hypervisors on the market today. It's nothing intrinsic to hypervisors, just the market will not sustain a non-free hypervisor so the existence of one has not happened. In theory one could be non-free in the future, but unlikely.
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@Dashrender said:
Sure ESXi has a free version, but that free version doesn't include the backup APIs, so it's not Apples to Apples.
But the hypervisor itself is free, completely free. ALL of the virtualization is free. The backup API is a different animal and in no way makes the hypervisor less free by not existing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@hubtechagain said:
so hyper v 2012 = hypervisor and is free?
Hyper-V 2012 R2. Is a hypervisor and like all hypervisors is free.
It is important to note that this is all hypervisors on the market today. It's nothing intrinsic to hypervisors, just the market will not sustain a non-free hypervisor so the existence of one has not happened. In theory one could be non-free in the future, but unlikely.
Right, I didn't think I needed to clarify that, it is a good point though.
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@scottalanmiller Would StorageCraft in this case basically just sync his VM's from one client to another at a given point in time? I think that is real goal here. If the main site dies, Hub wants to connect to the VM host in the remote DC and just turn on the VMs there so they company is back on line.
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There is one option not mentioned here that I don't think is a good fit here but has to be mentioned because from a technical perspective I am pretty sure is the best option, but of the OP is not an expert on this probably is not something that he wants to learn on the customer's dime: DRBD Proxy.
DRBD is what makes XenServer able to do HA for free. DRBD Proxy is an add on for the storage layer that allows DRBD to natively handle the asynchronous replication to the DR site using nothing but the existing tools and technologies. No need for backup products or third party products at all. Everything can be handled by the Xen / Linux / DRBD stack for both the local as well as the remote site!
Still want backups, of course, but you can use any backup technology or product for that and do not need to worry about the replication piece. It would be an integrated cluster between the two sites.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller Would StorageCraft in this case basically just sync his VM's from one client to another at a given point in time? I think that is real goal here. If the main site dies, Hub wants to connect to the VM host in the remote DC and just turn on the VMs there so they company is back on line.
Yes, it would be an incremental backup from one site to the other. As well as taking normal "on site" backups. It's a full backup utility.
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Dash, you are 1000000% correct.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller Would StorageCraft in this case basically just sync his VM's from one client to another at a given point in time? I think that is real goal here. If the main site dies, Hub wants to connect to the VM host in the remote DC and just turn on the VMs there so they company is back on line.
Yup, that would be the assumed design. If it is all on a VPN, for example, this gets really easy to do logistically.
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Network is a VPLS between sites so yeah, networking side isn't tough. technically it's all "LAN" to the hosts.
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@hubtechagain said:
Network is a VPLS between sites so yeah, networking side isn't tough. technically it's all "LAN" to the hosts.
That will work too. So that part is easy, just have to get the VMs over to the other site. Pretty much any backup tool will do it. Just need one that is automated and will do incrementals.
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so my question is this. wont Xen do this for free? if i'm going to the "trouble" of switching hypervisors, why not go with one that includes the tools i need and client will be happy to not have to pay for licensing. now i dont know xen, but it can't be all that terrible to tinker with.
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Veeam Backup Essentials Standard is $899 per 2 sockets. Sold in 2 socket packs. I have never seen it sold in any other fashion.
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@JaredBusch said:
Veeam Backup Essentials Standard is $899 per 2 sockets. Sold in 2 socket packs. I have never seen it sold in any other fashion.
So basically $2700 in this scenario. That adds up quickly.
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Paging @Steven
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@scottalanmiller said:
So basically $2700 in this scenario. That adds up quickly.
When I first talked to a Veeam rep a year ago about a similar scenario I was told I would not need a license for the 3rd host assuming it was only a DR site being replicated to and not from. So $1800, and that is a one time cost with Veeam unless you choose to continue maintenance for updates and upgrades.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
So basically $2700 in this scenario. That adds up quickly.
When I first talked to a Veeam rep a year ago about a similar scenario I was told I would not need a license for the 3rd host assuming it was only a DR site being replicated to and not from. So $1800, and that is a one time cost with Veeam unless you choose to continue maintenance for updates and upgrades.
Oh okay, that's 33% less then. Still not small, but not nearly so bad.
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If I knew a way to do incremental offsite on Xen, that would be a good solution just like Hyper-V.
Only system I have experience with incremental is Hyper-V + Veeam, so that is all I can recommend.
