hyper-V in desktop machine (core 2 Deo 2 GB Ram and 250 GB in HD)
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At our environment we use XenServer CE, and a backup script named NAUBackup.
It runs via crontab jobs, and will make running state backups of the specificed VM's. It really works well.
We then pull these snapshots down, and test in virtual box on our workstations.
It's simple and free to setup, just needa NFS or CIFS server to host the snapshots.
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@coliver said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i forget one important thing is unitrend offer free backup and restore solution for hyper-V while XenServer not
Ah yep that could do it. Although I think Unitrends has said their Spiceworks license does cover XenServer.
I know for a fact that it currently does not, but I've been pressuring them to change that.
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You have lots of XenServer and HyperV users here in the community. You will have good community support for either. Those are definitely my two most often recommended options.
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now i find it difficult to make my decision, i really like MS solution because there are plenty of documentation out there and almost the majority of companies use it, sometimes we choose what is spread out in what the majority of companies use it because we may change the job and find preexisting infrastructure that we are not familiar with
last time i ask one of my friend about virtualization what he know EXSI and hyper-V, i think XenServer is Known in US maybe but in our market most people use EXSI or Hyper-V -
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i forget one important thing is unitrend offer free backup and restore solution for hyper-V while XenServer not
Ah yep that could do it. Although I think Unitrends has said their Spiceworks license does cover XenServer.
I know for a fact that it currently does not, but I've been pressuring them to change that.
Ah good to know.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You have lots of XenServer and HyperV users here in the community. You will have good community support for either. Those are definitely my two most often recommended options.
very good, hyper-V is one of the Hypervisore that you recommend so i will not be strange in this community
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@IT-ADMIN said:
now i find it difficult to make my decision, i really like MS solution because there are plenty of documentation out there and almost the majority of companies use it, sometimes we choose what is spread out in what the majority of companies use it because we may change the job and find preexisting infrastructure that we are not familiar with
last time i ask one of my friend about virtualization what he know EXSI and hyper-V, i think XenServer is Known in US maybe but in our market most people use EXSI or Hyper-VI think VMWare ESXi still have the majority market in the US atleast in SMBs and SMEs. Hyper-V and XenServer are fighting for a distant (although catching up quickly) second.
I run Hyper-V in the office here and XenServer in my home lab.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
now i find it difficult to make my decision, i really like MS solution because there are plenty of documentation out there and almost the majority of companies use it....
Definitely not the majority. HyperV is the tertiary hypervisor by marketshare. VMware ESXi and Xen are the big boys . HyperV is growing rapidly but is very new and only really in the small business space. Xen is one of the two players for the enterprise and used by the really big platforms like Amazon, Rackspace and IBM. Many companies run on Xen and don't realize that that is what they have chosen. Essentially all enterprise cloud is Xen (except, of course, Azure, which is not HyperV either.)
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@IT-ADMIN said:
last time i ask one of my friend about virtualization what he know EXSI and hyper-V, i think XenServer is Known in US maybe but in our market most people use EXSI or Hyper-V
The bigger, faster and more enterprise you get, the more you find Xen. Xen plays at the very top tiers most of the time. But is very good for the SMB.
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after making some research in the internet i find out that hyper-V is more suitable for small environment (like us :))
http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/feature/Choosing-vSphere-vs-Hyper-V-vs-XenServer
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@IT-ADMIN said:
after making some research in the internet i find out that hyper-V is more suitable for small environment (like us :))
http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/feature/Choosing-vSphere-vs-Hyper-V-vs-XenServer
But it isn't more or less suitable then any other hypervisor. Especially when compared to XenServer (and less so ESXi). XenServer is easier to implement and has a fantastic user interface/management interface.
Granted the backup you have chosen doesn't support it so you are right in going with Hyper-V.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
after making some research in the internet i find out that hyper-V is more suitable for small environment (like us :))
http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/feature/Choosing-vSphere-vs-Hyper-V-vs-XenServer
That article is completely wrong and gets the info backwards. It calls XenServer the immature product but HyperV is the immature one of the bunch.
XenServer is generally better suited, especially in your case (except for the Unitrends thing.)
What reasons do you feel HyperV would be better? It has fewer features, is less mature, is harder to learn and use, is more confusing.
That article is full of misinformation. What made you feel that they were a good source and the virtualization people here are not? I have more experience on Xen, for example, than HyperV has even existed.
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@coliver said:
Granted the backup you have chosen doesn't support it so you are right in going with Hyper-V.
But is he choosing the backup BECAUSE of the hypervisor, or the hypervisor because of the backup?
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All of the reasons that you give, except for Unitrends which was never described as a requirement, suggest that XenServer is the right choice. It's easier to use, better for a small business in general, has better licensing, is easier to understand, has more features, is more secure, backups are free, high availability is baked in, it's old, it is better suited to the software that you want to run on it (I'm not sure pfSence is even supported on HyperV), etc.
More or less all of your requirements push you to XenServer over HyperV.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
thank you Dear Scott for your interest to ask me about my decision, first of all i'm using Hyper-V server R2 the Hypervisor not the one included in windown server 2012 (for $$ reason) because it is totally free, concerning your second question why Hyper-V and not Xenserver, this is because MS solution are all the time easier than whatever else (i'm not ready to have headache especially i'm just an IT beginner)
XenServer is 100% free to run as well. And there is absolutely no cost to setup NAUBackup on it. They are all built on GNU Public license allowing you to do whatever you'd like with it.
For free, 100% not one penny.
@IT-ADMIN said:
i forget one important thing is unitrend offer free backup and restore solution for hyper-V while XenServer not
Restoring from NAUBackup is as simple as browsing to the network share, and Importing it into XenServer. Maybe 3 Clicks, also 100% free.
@IT-ADMIN said:
now i find it difficult to make my decision, i really like MS solution because there are plenty of documentation out there and almost the majority of companies use it, sometimes we choose what is spread out in what the majority of companies use it because we may change the job and find preexisting infrastructure that we are not familiar with
last time i ask one of my friend about virtualization what he know EXSI and hyper-V, i think XenServer is Known in US maybe but in our market most people use EXSI or Hyper-VXenServer has a HUGE, Massive and great support community at http://discussions.citrix.com/forum/101-xenserver/
Of which, you guessed it, you don't have to pay anything for the community access or support they provide.
@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You have lots of XenServer and HyperV users here in the community. You will have good community support for either. Those are definitely my two most often recommended options.
very good, hyper-V is one of the Hypervisore that you recommend so i will not be strange in this community
Running Hyper-V over XenServer would be strange, only for the reasons you propose against running XenServer.
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Ok since you all agreed that xenserver is suitable for my situation I will opt for it even if I already lost one dvd
because I just burn the hyper-v iso.
But primise me if I have any trouble you will rescue me because I'm really fear to use it . Linux is scary
And also the fact that hyper-v may not sopport pfsense frighten me lol -
@IT-ADMIN said:
Ok since you all agreed that xenserver is suitable for my situation I will opt for it even if I already lost one dvd
because I just burn the hyper-v iso.
But primise me if I have any trouble you will rescue me because I'm really fear to use it . Linux is scary
And also the fact that hyper-v may not sopport pfsense frighten me lolHyper-V server is 100% command line driven also unless you set up everything to allow you to use remote management tools.
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Yes you are right but I already learn how to allow remote connection by disabling firewall and you can manage it easily via hyper-v role from another machine (windows 8 for ex)
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@IT-ADMIN said:
Yes you are right but I already learn how to allow remote connection by disabling firewall and you can manage it easily via hyper-v role from another machine (windows 8 for ex)
But you should NOT have learned that, that is very bad!!
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@IT-ADMIN said:
Ok since you all agreed that xenserver is suitable for my situation I will opt for it even if I already lost one dvd
because I just burn the hyper-v iso.
But primise me if I have any trouble you will rescue me because I'm really fear to use it . Linux is scary
And also the fact that hyper-v may not sopport pfsense frighten me lolBut you should not be doing anything with Linux. You are using XenServer. Xen is not Linux. Yes there is Linux in the Dom0 but you never need to go into that. That's under the hood. This is a virtualization appliance, that there is Linux is only a point of interest, not of relevance to your support or decision making here.
