The Hospitality Management Anecdote
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This discussion reminds me of the Higher Education Bubble hypothesis, interesting read.
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@art_of_shred said:
I don't think college was ever the necessity it has been drummed-up to be.....
I think that it used to be more of a barrier to fewer jobs, if that makes sense. Jobs that today are not barred by college (scientist, non-civil engineer, programmer) used to be effectively college-only. But most jobs (even teaching) had zero college requirements and going to college would have seemed crazy. So I think that those programs for which college was designed were more controlled by it, but the vast majority of people would never have considered college.
Today, very few careers are really governed by college (nearly all through government regulation and not economic reasons) but the majority of people go to college anyway.
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...and by "cell phone" you mean "bag phone". Not exactly the same thing, and I don't recall it having Google Earth, either. I don't think I stepped foot in the computer lab during my senior year, unless that was when I took Keyboarding, but I think that was Junior year. I remember using a GS for that class. Ah yes, the Information Super-highway...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
I have spoken to so many College Grads that have no job experience at all (never worked) and went to college for their dream job, that there are no jobs in, and spent $80K to do it.
Who then, likely, lack the experience and skills necessary to excel even at very basic jobs like hotels, restaurants or whatever. There are so many jobs out there for people who can't land their rare, dream job but people who blow all of their youth dreaming of that dream job rather than preparing to be a good worker are at a major disadvantage. I started working on a farm as a kid and in a business the moment I could at sixteen and have worked solidly, without a break, ever since. I had tons of just basic "work" experience before graduating high school. I learned far more from working at restaurants, nursing homes, hotels, grocery stores, etc. than I ever did in school. People who go to college instead of working skip all of that learning.
The other issue is that college doesn't teach you a lot of lessons that you will learn FOR A GUARANTEE at that job at the grocery store, in retail, etc. Basic customer service skills, basic human interaction skills, even basics like making change, all can be learned at pretty much any entry level job, and it's amazing how the principles you learn from those skills carry over into a more professional environment. The fundamental lessons you learn are crucial for success in a professional environment, but often can't really be learned in that environment. So many people bypass all these crucial skills because these jobs are "beneath them" and then wonder why people who did those jobs are getting ahead and taking the jobs they worked for years at college to get. I've said to many people for years that someone who knows their ****, doesn't have the piece of paper and is willing to work hard will always get farther ahead in their career than the person who thinks that having a piece of paper with their name on it and some degree is a free-ride ticket. That's basically what kids are told in schools nowadays, is that college is a free-ride ticket. You get the degree, the rest will take care of itself, and it's just not true.
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The thing that people always seem to forget. Colleges are a business they are not there to be helpful to you. They are filling their pockets with the crazy fees that people pay to take classes. They are car salesmen.
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@art_of_shred said:
...and by "cell phone" you mean "bag phone". Not exactly the same thing, and I don't recall it having Google Earth, either. I don't think I stepped foot in the computer lab during my senior year, unless that was when I took Keyboarding, but I think that was Junior year. I remember using a GS for that class. Ah yes, the Information Super-highway...
I think keyboarding was junior year for me too. My keyboarding class was definitely on the Apple ][e machines.
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@Minion-Queen said:
The thing that people always seem to forget. Colleges are a business they are not there to be helpful to you. They are filling their pockets with the crazy fees that people pay to take classes. They are car salesmen.
A major university in the Washington, D.C. area, when questioned as to why they were not providing a value to their students, stated that students are not the customers of a university but are simply their to provide funding for the professors to do other things. Educating the students was not their job nor did they care. The students were simply a revenue source for research.
Read: they felt, quite rightly, that any student at their university was a sucker and deserved to be taken advantage of.
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And I believe that that was George Mason University that said that. It has been a while.
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Yup, education and news outlets. For-profit businesses that have managed to convince the general populace that they are necessary, trustworthy, and looking out for something to do with truth, your best interests, or some other idealistic thing like that. Laughable, except for the fact that the rest of us are held hostage by their successful marketing and the consequences thereof.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
The thing that people always seem to forget. Colleges are a business they are not there to be helpful to you. They are filling their pockets with the crazy fees that people pay to take classes. They are car salesmen.
A major university in the Washington, D.C. area, when questioned as to why they were not providing a value to their students, stated that students are not the customers of a university but are simply their to provide funding for the professors to do other things. Educating the students was not their job nor did they care. The students were simply a revenue source for research.
Read: they felt, quite rightly, that any student at their university was a sucker and deserved to be taken advantage of.
*there
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@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
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@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
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@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
I'm not much older then you... so I doubt it... but a few years younger then probably.
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@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
Likely.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@coliver said:
@handsofqwerty said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
The "internet", aka "cyberspace" was something you read about it Popular Science.....
Popular Science was the one that constantly called it the "Information Superhighway". OMG I can't believe that kids today have never heard that term. It was so common back then.
What are you talking about?! I know that term quite well!
I worked in a high school for a bit... In passing I mentioned the information super highway to a group of 8th graders during a lab period... they all looked at me with dumbfound expressions... I had to clarify that I was talking about the internet.
Am I the only one my age who knows that term?!
Likely.
I remember hearing that term all the time in the 90s. Very common expression.
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I have not heard the term in a very, very long time. I had totally forgotten about that.
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Access the "Information Superhighway" on your Apple II GS, apparently.
