Private Group on ML
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
It would be really cool is nodeBB had a group chat feature.
Looks like it's been requested: https://community.nodebb.org/topic/2330/group-chat/2
Cool, that would be a great feature just for this type of occasion. Although that could get fairly clique-y.
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@coliver said:
It would be really cool is nodeBB had a group chat feature.
I agree, that would be cool. @psychobunny
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If we're requesting features how about a black hole section
Post on it, automatically deleted from the internet after ## minutes
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@MattSpeller said:
If we're requesting features how about a black hole section
Post on it, automatically deleted from the internet after ## minutes
So the Rants section?
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@thecreativeone91 no, somewhere that I can rage against the universe, spelling mustakes, people I hate, things that piss me off. Then have it (possibly) read by someone and subsequently deleted forever after a time period. Disable usernames.
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@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 no, somewhere that I can rage against the universe, spelling mustakes, people I hate, things that piss me off. Then have it (possibly) read by someone and subsequently deleted forever after a time period. Disable usernames.
There is a twitter like app for that... anonymous posting, deletes the "tweet" in 7 minutes. Popular on college campuses.
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@coliver said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 no, somewhere that I can rage against the universe, spelling mustakes, people I hate, things that piss me off. Then have it (possibly) read by someone and subsequently deleted forever after a time period. Disable usernames.
There is a twitter like app for that... anonymous posting, deletes the "tweet" in 7 minutes. Popular on college campuses.
Oh like those college campus "confession" and "crushes" things. I saw something about VT's before.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@coliver said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 no, somewhere that I can rage against the universe, spelling mustakes, people I hate, things that piss me off. Then have it (possibly) read by someone and subsequently deleted forever after a time period. Disable usernames.
There is a twitter like app for that... anonymous posting, deletes the "tweet" in 7 minutes. Popular on college campuses.
Oh like those college campus "confession" and "crushes" things. I saw something about VT's before.
Yep, my sister (who is graduating next weekend) told me about it... can't for the life of me remember the name.
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This should be a lesson in filtering what you post online in a public setting, not a reason to lock away certian parts of a site so you can post what you want. If you have a private question, use a private message. If you have a public question, change the names of people and businesses. If you want to rant and use real names, prepare for a valueable life lesson. This is about the only community on the internet I do post in reguallry, simply because the quality of the people, and information.
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Just adding my 0.2c (GST not applicable)
No secret shower room please.
It will ALWAYS cause issues.
Perhaps if you need to rant, ask if you can send a rant to someone via chat?
If there are private things that need to be asked, then I think @Minion-Queen was spot on.
@Minion-Queen said:If you would like to ask for help on a specific issue please feel free to reach out via Chat or even via email to me. I can help you connect with the right person from either my team or others on the community that have appropriate experience in that area.
Having an open community without the secret shower room is one of the brilliance's of ML but like everything, it won't fit all situations.
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@coliver said:
@MattSpeller said:
@thecreativeone91 no, somewhere that I can rage against the universe, spelling mustakes, people I hate, things that piss me off. Then have it (possibly) read by someone and subsequently deleted forever after a time period. Disable usernames.
There is a twitter like app for that... anonymous posting, deletes the "tweet" in 7 minutes. Popular on college campuses.
Must never post it to something public, or there would be a service harvesting that already and making it perm.
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Beyond all of the complex reasons for why private / secret groups are bad, here is the staggering one that, I hope, is all that is needed to rule it out:
When posting privately, the idea is that you don't want the public reading what is said. That might sound obvious, but it means that the private groups are full of things that would be bad if it got out. Bashing employers, bashing people, asking embarrassing questions (has anyone seen a mark like THIS before..), whatever. What we say in private is different than what we say in public.
So here are the big issues...
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Membership changes over time. New people join the private group. When you told people about your problems at work, problems with a coworker or your IBS problems, you might have been comfortable with the people you said that too at the time, but are you comfortable with the new people seeing that?
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What is private can be shared. You don't just have to "like" the people in the group, you have to trust all of them with maintaining the security. Just because you keep it private doesn't mean that someone else won't quote or screenshot that and share it with people not authorized to see it.
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Technology can fail and what is private can become public. In a forum setting, that can be pretty easily accidental and pretty damaging. I would worry a lot about that. Accidentally clicking a private / public radio button, trivial software bug, database exposure, etc. A forum that is designed to be accessible and public trying to implement privacy is possible, but there is little incentive for hard core security protections.
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Bad Decisions Can Happen. In another forum a private group got "exposed" partially through the "sharing" problem above. Once public people knew about the private conversation, they "demanded" access to it. So the private group was turned into a public one - suddenly every single, private word was exposed to the world whether related or not.
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The "sharing" problem is one of the reasons that we had to stop using Spiceworks with customers. Techs would put in "private" comments but account managers would randomly, without thinking, respond to the ticket system emails copying in the customer. The customer would scroll down and see the private tech comments that the "system" kept private but the email was just text and exposed it all. Since the techs HAD to leave critical comments, the only option was removing the customers from the system.
A totally private system or a totally public tend to work much better than one that is mixed.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I'll try to look but there were some early threads on this. Keeping from having private groups was actually a day one goal. The private groups elsewhere have led to some pretty bad things. While they sound great at a high level, they introduce some serious problems. We are very lucky that we got a chance to watch some of the bad things that could happen. While it leaves us with some lack of features, it also protects against some things too.
It's not an indictment of sites that use it. When others introduced it I thought that it sounded great too. It's a nice idea. But how to make it really work in a healthy way for a community is something that we've never seen figured out.
Yeah, creating cliques or the "elite crowd" mentality has caused issues in other communities. By keeping everything open, we avoid all this. @scottalanmiller was right. This was one of the FIRST points brought up when discussing the founding of ML. However, I also agree that a group chat feature would be awesome!
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@MattSpeller said:
If we're requesting features how about a black hole section
Post on it, automatically deleted from the internet after ## minutes
To late Google has already indexed it.
