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@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Keeping it classy Indiana....
Indiana mum 'bit and beat sons for opening Christmas gifts'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38413901There is some kind of collective consciousness thing going on in the us right now. either that or this has been going on forever and the media wasnt covering it
Just wasn't in the news before. People used to get away with a lot more.
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When I was a kid, nearly everyone I know was beaten at our school by a psychopath and no one reported him and he never got in trouble. Different era. News didn't care, parents didn't look into it, kids with bruises was just part of growing up.
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This here is the critical line of the mother hitting and biting her son's who opened the presents early.
The boys' teenage sister alerted authorities after finding them injured and upset.
Which means sister gets beat when mom gets home.... Now hitting the kids with a belt... ok overkill by a bit. But absolutely slap your kids ass when they are being bad.
No punishment for rowdy /unruly children make them spoiled little pricks, who believe they are entitled to everything without consequences.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
No punishment for rowdy /unruly children make them spoiled little pricks, who believe they are entitled to everything without consequences.
Did you catch that at least one of the kids was disabled?
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I did catch it, but disabled doesn't mean mentally handicap.
The kid could have known better, we don't know as the article doesn't state what kind of handicap the kid has.
Maybe it's a gimp foot.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
I did catch it, but disabled doesn't mean mentally handicap.
The kid could have known better, we don't know as the article doesn't state what kind of handicap the kid has.
Maybe it's a gimp foot.
The mom could have known better, too. Seems pretty obvious that these are kids of an abusive family. What they "should have known to do" is probably not relevant. And I know that my wife and her sister would have been those kids at that age (looking at presents, not being beaten.)
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@scottalanmiller Of course the mother should've known better than to beat her kids with a belt. I don't disagree.
At the same time, parents should be allowed to spank (not beat) their kids without others getting involved.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Of course the mother should've known better than to beat her kids with a belt. I don't disagree.
At the same time, parents should be allowed to spank (not beat) their kids without others getting involved.
Yeah, but there is no spanking here. This is someone who resorted to biting!
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Biting is for sure abuse. In my personal opinion, spanking is a tangible consequence of a childs actions before they are able to put themselves in another persons position. With that said, I don't know if I could actually hit my own child. I think that would probably hurt me more than it would hurt or teach them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller Of course the mother should've known better than to beat her kids with a belt. I don't disagree.
At the same time, parents should be allowed to spank (not beat) their kids without others getting involved.
Yeah, but there is no spanking here. This is someone who resorted to biting!
Maybe the belt broke on the kids ass... IDK. No point in bruising your hand while beating your kid.... teeth work way faster!
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@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Biting is for sure abuse. In my personal opinion, spanking is a tangible consequence of a childs actions before they are able to put themselves in another persons position. With that said, I don't know if I could actually hit my own child. I think that would probably hurt me more than it would hurt or teach them.
Especially not at seven or nine years old, kids that old are beyond the point where spanking is beneficial under any situation.
I can tell you, I have memories of being spanked and none of them ever made me feel like I had done something wrong or made me improve behaviour, they were indicators that an adult had lost control and were almost always used when they had no explanations for their anger and were just hitting to hit. Be careful with spankings because adults like to say that they deliver a lesson, but don't be so sure that the lesson the kids get is the one that the adult thinks that they are sending.
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I think biting is fine...
You can blame it on the other kid, as if the two got into a fight.
That daughter needs to move out, tattling on her mother, shame on her. Time for her to get hers, and then get a damn apartment of her own.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Biting is for sure abuse. In my personal opinion, spanking is a tangible consequence of a childs actions before they are able to put themselves in another persons position. With that said, I don't know if I could actually hit my own child. I think that would probably hurt me more than it would hurt or teach them.
Especially not at seven or nine years old, kids that old are beyond the point where spanking is beneficial under any situation.
I can tell you, I have memories of being spanked and none of them ever made me feel like I had done something wrong or made me improve behaviour, they were indicators that an adult had lost control and were almost always used when they had no explanations for their anger and were just hitting to hit. Be careful with spankings because adults like to say that they deliver a lesson, but don't be so sure that the lesson the kids get is the one that the adult thinks that they are sending.
Agreed. My brother was the worst child in the world. I could never write enough about it. The more he was hit the worse he got. It never helped.
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@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@wirestyle22 said in Non-IT News Thread:
Biting is for sure abuse. In my personal opinion, spanking is a tangible consequence of a childs actions before they are able to put themselves in another persons position. With that said, I don't know if I could actually hit my own child. I think that would probably hurt me more than it would hurt or teach them.
Especially not at seven or nine years old, kids that old are beyond the point where spanking is beneficial under any situation.
I can tell you, I have memories of being spanked and none of them ever made me feel like I had done something wrong or made me improve behaviour, they were indicators that an adult had lost control and were almost always used when they had no explanations for their anger and were just hitting to hit. Be careful with spankings because adults like to say that they deliver a lesson, but don't be so sure that the lesson the kids get is the one that the adult thinks that they are sending.
Agreed. My brother was the worst child in the world. I could never write enough about it. The more he was hit the worse he got. It never helped.
That's pretty common. I know in school my teachers would spank us when they got confused and didn't know what to teach.
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Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
Yup, once you spank, the kid is in power. It's a transfer of power from the adult to the child. It's resorting to physical means when mental isn't working.
I didn't really get spanked at home, but was spanked at school continuously by people that I now realize should be executed (I literally mean that.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
Yup, once you spank, the kid is in power. It's a transfer of power from the adult to the child. It's resorting to physical means when mental isn't working.
I didn't really get spanked at home, but was spanked at school continuously by people that I now realize should be executed (I literally mean that.)
How isn't all punishment a transfer - if one is to agree with you.
It's all about the risk reward setup. Sure, as a very young child, a spanking MIGHT give a longer lasting impression to change behavior, but once you realize that's what the goal of a spanking is, then it's all the same - what's the difference between spanking versus taking the computer away - just risk reward.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
Yup, once you spank, the kid is in power. It's a transfer of power from the adult to the child. It's resorting to physical means when mental isn't working.
I didn't really get spanked at home, but was spanked at school continuously by people that I now realize should be executed (I literally mean that.)
How isn't all punishment a transfer - if one is to agree with you.
It's all about the risk reward setup. Sure, as a very young child, a spanking MIGHT give a longer lasting impression to change behavior, but once you realize that's what the goal of a spanking is, then it's all the same - what's the difference between spanking versus taking the computer away - just risk reward.
I would probably leave the decision up to the child. You either stop texting now or you can keep texting but you lose your phone for a day. Then they have to weigh the pros and cons of the situation and make their choice.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
Yup, once you spank, the kid is in power. It's a transfer of power from the adult to the child. It's resorting to physical means when mental isn't working.
I didn't really get spanked at home, but was spanked at school continuously by people that I now realize should be executed (I literally mean that.)
How isn't all punishment a transfer - if one is to agree with you.
It's all about the risk reward setup. Sure, as a very young child, a spanking MIGHT give a longer lasting impression to change behavior, but once you realize that's what the goal of a spanking is, then it's all the same - what's the difference between spanking versus taking the computer away - just risk reward.
To some degree that is true, but you rarely send a kid to a five minute time out or take away something that they have abused it's rarely a direct loss of control or violence. Violence is a different thing completely. Now if you are spanking a kid because he had inflicted violence on someone else and did so after a cooling down period so that the spanking is done as a planned punishment rather than a direct violent response to anger, sure.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Spanking is nothing but a risk reward payoff situation.
My parents both spanked the three of us. The last beating I received was at 16. I literally stood there while he hit me with a belt until he swung to low and hit my leg, causing enough pain to involuntarily take a half step forward, yelp, then I was standing up straight again.
It was clear in the end, that he was wiping me until he got some satisfaction, after I yelped, he stopped. I'm sure he realized that beatings/spankings/whatever were worthless at that point.
I'll agree with @scottalanmiller that this was a situation where his anger was out of control. Luckily spankings were a fairly rare thing in my house, I think I got 5 or 6 total while growing up, two of them were pretty savage, luckily neither was ever repeated, and both would be considered child abuse today.
Yup, once you spank, the kid is in power. It's a transfer of power from the adult to the child. It's resorting to physical means when mental isn't working.
I didn't really get spanked at home, but was spanked at school continuously by people that I now realize should be executed (I literally mean that.)
How isn't all punishment a transfer - if one is to agree with you.
It's all about the risk reward setup. Sure, as a very young child, a spanking MIGHT give a longer lasting impression to change behavior, but once you realize that's what the goal of a spanking is, then it's all the same - what's the difference between spanking versus taking the computer away - just risk reward.
To some degree that is true, but you rarely send a kid to a five minute time out or take away something that they have abused it's rarely a direct loss of control or violence. Violence is a different thing completely. Now if you are spanking a kid because he had inflicted violence on someone else and did so after a cooling down period so that the spanking is done as a planned punishment rather than a direct violent response to anger, sure.
I still wouldn't agree with that. I think that would more than likely teach an eye for an eye mentality to the child.
