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Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

RojoLoco

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

tonyshowoff

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Half of one percent? Damn it that's why my taxes are so high! Cancel the whole thing!

scottalanmiller

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

coliver

Sorry, this was what I meant to post not sure how I got the previous link.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-makes-dozens-of-patents-available-in-public-domain-to-benefit-us-industry

Overall I agree with @scottalanmiller, NASA has often operated as an R&D department for big/wealthy companies. I would love to see their entire patent portfolio turn into public domain.

RojoLoco

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

tonyshowoff

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

Being afraid of "socialism" is what is going to destroy America's dominance, not a "liberal" conspiracy (not that you said this, but it's something I see said a lot), and I think the space program and education system are good signs of things to come. As things fall apart, it's easy to say "ah, see, these underfunded projects aren't working, therefore defund them completely."

Combine it with identity politics, which is essentially almost all it is now, it's no wonder some of the highest taxes in the world don't even go to anything useful, but rather keeping it running.

I think in addition to private entities on the Moon and/or Mars in the future, it may be governments which aren't afraid to take the same sort of risks America used to take, instead of being locked into an ideology which it never followed in the first place.

I don't see a future for America in the world, I don't see it collapsing or anything like that, but it certainly will become increasing irrelevant. I think it's a shame because there's a lot of creativity and extremely innovative approaches which have come out of America and would continue to, but it won't be funded, and the drop in creativity/productivity/output will be blamed on the same ol' things, and in response to this fantasy enemy, they'll make things worse yet again.

I can't imagine the latter half of the 21st century including America as much of anything other than a consumer of others output being incapable of creating its own, but hey, at least they didn't give in to "socialism" like they did in the 40s and 50s. It's shocking now even views, promoted by some, of FDR are that he was a terrible president who essentially created the great deprssion, and that the KKK is a "progressive and liberal" organisation.

So, I'll see you on the Moon, but I'm betting you wouldn't have gotten there on an American rocket.

RojoLoco

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

Being afraid of "socialism"

...YAWN. You lost me at "ism". Couldn't care less about politics.

tonyshowoff

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

Being afraid of "socialism"

...YAWN. You lost me at "ism". Couldn't care less about politics.

What does it matter if you care about it or not? You're talking about NASA being severely underfunded, NASA's budget is essentially the result of politics alone. I'm simply saying the show is over for NASA long term, aside from smaller projects, until things get crappy and unproductive enough to where that'll be the end of it completely.

RojoLoco

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

Being afraid of "socialism"

...YAWN. You lost me at "ism". Couldn't care less about politics.

What does it matter if you care about it or not? You're talking about NASA being severely underfunded, NASA's budget is essentially the result of politics alone. I'm simply saying the show is over for NASA long term, aside from smaller projects.

I only know about NASA's budget woes because I like science and space. I seriously couldn't give less of a shit about the politics of why, because I can do nothing to affect that. I only concern myself with things that interest me and I only worry about things I can affect (99.999999999% of which are within my arms' length).

ALL politicians should be burned alive.

tonyshowoff

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:

http://technology.nasa.gov/patents

Good for NASA.

Sort of. Their site says that their patents "benefits American citizens" but then say that "companies can license them." So basically, they are just acting like any business selling patent licensing. It's not like they are opening their portfolio or using it to promote non-aggression. Really, as a part of the government, they shouldn't even be allowed to have patents and/or their patents should be automatically the property of the nation, not just NASA. I think they are falling short of even a minimally acceptable standard.

Since NASA only gets about half of one percent of the federal budget, why not let them try to make some more fundage?

Because it isn't fundage, it's limiting what we have paid for only to big companies. It's stuff that the public has already paid for. If only big companies can access it, they are then using our tax dollars to withhold our own technology from us so that they can force us to pay for something we already paid for.

My point is that NASA is severely under funded. We can only afford to send our astronauts to the ISS by launching them from Chechnya. If NASA's budget remains the same, it will be Richard Branson and Elon Musk that put colonies on the moon or Mars (a necessity because we have severely f@cked this planet over).

Being afraid of "socialism"

...YAWN. You lost me at "ism". Couldn't care less about politics.

What does it matter if you care about it or not? You're talking about NASA being severely underfunded, NASA's budget is essentially the result of politics alone. I'm simply saying the show is over for NASA long term, aside from smaller projects.

I only know about NASA's budget woes because I like science and space. I seriously couldn't give less of a shit about the politics of why, because I can do nothing to affect that. I only concern myself with things that interest me and I only worry about things I can affect (99.999999999% of which are within my arms' length).

ALL politicians should be burned alive.

Well, I can't disagree with this post at all. I was just trying to help promote the idea of privatised space travel and colonisation. I think you're absolutely right that we can't do anything about it either (especially non-Americans), but I think too many people still put faith in NASA to do these things.

But as I'm sure you know, NASA will be sending man to Mars by 2000, 2004, OK 2010, no wait 2025, alight 2050, you know what, check back later (these are all real dates they've said since I was a kid), in fact let's go back to the Moon instead, by 2015, maybe ... 2020ish...

scottalanmiller

ESA has plans to colonize the moon in the 2030s.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:

ESA has plans to colonize the moon in the 2030s.

My whole thing was that there's no future for NASA, focus on private space programs or ones belonging to other governments, probably a combination of both. I just hope they can do something to help recapture the excitement that I think has been lost since especially the 1980s. Private space companies and the ESA, and even China somewhat, are starting to do just that, starting to feel the excitement I felt as a kid... to an extent.

Dashrender

Ask yourself why NASA got the funding it did back in the 60's? Because of the space race with the USSR. The public (through the controlled media) came to agree this was a good way to spend money to protect us. That's no longer the case. So the public doesn't care, so it's hard to justify spending billions or trillions on things like that at this time.