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Coronavirus: US cases at highest level for two months
New Covid-19 cases in the US have risen to their highest level in two months, according to Johns Hopkins University, which is tracking the outbreak.
On Tuesday the US reported 34,700 new cases - the third highest daily tally since the US outbreak began, according to AP news agency. States including Arizona, California, Mississippi, Nevada and Texas had record numbers of new cases, AP said. Health officials say the coming weeks will be crucial to stem the outbreaks. On Tuesday America's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci told lawmakers there was "a disturbing surge of infection" and "increased community spread" in many southern and western states. -
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
Yeah, that's what a lot of people see. There are essentially two large camps that I know of on the "stay locked down" side.
One is full lock down with most businesses failing. No one does anything.
The other is reasonable lock down where you can still have businesses open, but large scale distancing, face masks, and such is completely mandatory with huge penalties and enforcement. This, if enforced well, can do like 90% or better of the first.
Then the other side basically says that business needs are more important and/or individual liberties to not function in concern for others overrides the health benefits and we should behave as normal and it's just sad that lots of people die.
Those three things are pretty much the three options when people are talking about it. Texas went for #3 and most people support it, and there is a price to be paid no matter which one you choose.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
The solution is not one of the extremes... It's not a 100% lock down, and it's not 100% ignoring COVID-19. Perhaps it's the responsibility of every individual to do their part; keep social distancing, keep sanitary, etc... To stop participating in large gatherings... Why's the US becoming the worst in the world? I'm guessing it's the fact the whole thing has been nothing but used politically... Like everything else.
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The problem with #3 in my mind is - we have no clue what the long term effects are - we don't know if you get immunity for some period of time, etc.
While I personally fall more on the #3 side, I can understand and get behind #2 very easily. I consider #1 a total non option.
#2 two still kills many things/businesses though - concerts, amusement parks, cruises, heck - mass travel (air plane, buses, trains) all all pretty much dead on #2.
huh - even video entertainment will take a huge hit under #2 - TV/Movie sets could have real issues under #2 assuming they would be allowed at all.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with #3 in my mind is - we have no clue what the long term effects are - we don't know if you get immunity for some period of time, etc.
That's a problem with all three. We just don't know what any of it will do long term yet.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
The solution is not one of the extremes... It's not a 100% lock down, and it's not 100% ignoring COVID-19. Perhaps it's the responsibility of every individual to do their part; keep social distancing, keep sanitary, etc... To stop participating in large gatherings... Why's the US becoming the worst in the world? I'm guessing it's the fact the whole thing has been nothing but used politically... Like everything else.
Sure - I guess. Though I don't think that's the only thing. We've had a massive amount of massive gatherings in the US lately because of the inequality outrage, let alone the fact of being under lock down for 3 months - people just want to gather.
How is that second part not happening around the world? I haven't actually heard - Is Europe is under a general lockdown?
I know a lot of the US started easing lockdown in early/mid May, if the EU started in late May/early June, they might see similar rises in another 2 weeks or so.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
#2 two still kills many things/businesses though - concerts, amusement parks, cruises, heck - mass travel (air plane, buses, trains) all all pretty much dead on #2.
Yes, but it also keeps many afloat. And killing huge swathes of the public and making people afraid to go to all those things might kill them off, too. You can make a good argument that #2 might protect many of those businesses better than #3 will long term.
There is also a strong argument that if a business can't survive through adaptation that it has no right to exist. Free market, capitalism.
And not all businesses are good. Lots of us are hoping that the cruise industry fails here. It doesn't pay taxes, it operates outside the law, it often borders on slavery, and it would be nice if it just didn't exist. Just because something is a business does mean we want it to survive, or that it has a right to. Every business needs to have prepared for and be ready to adapt to changing conditions. If we make decisions just to protect certain businesses, rather than acting in the good of the public, we've become communists and we are using "planned economy" instead of the free market.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
definitely not the same comparable thing. If you're pregnant - at the end there's a baby... if you have Covid and you're asymptotic after you're no longer infectious, you have no clue.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I know a lot of the US started easing lockdown in early/mid May, if the EU started in late May/early June, they might see similar rises in another 2 weeks or so.
No, the EU already had their first wave. The US is still in its first wave. Nothing the EU has done can track the US at this point as they are already completely diverged. The EU is cycles ahead of the US and we are way past the point of thinking that the two approaches might end up close to each other, it's too late for that.
The EU can easily have a second wave. But so can the US. But since the US isn't even close to seeing the back half of the first wave, and the EU is way past its first wave, everything is very different between them.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Is Europe is under a general lockdown?
Yes, have been for a long time. It's eased some, but only just starting to ease and they have been stopping the easing as it shows rises again.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
definitely not the same comparable thing. If you're pregnant - at the end there's a baby... if you have Covid and you're asymptotic after you're no longer infectious, you have no clue.
Not always. Pregnancy is more likely to end in a bay than COVID in death, but lots of pregnancies don't produce babies, and lots of COVID patients live. It's statistically divergent, but conceptually similar.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
There is also a strong argument that if a business can't survive through adaptation that it has no right to exist. Free market, capitalism.
of course - I have to give you this one. Not that I'm giving it to you, I completely agree with it.
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
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Coronavirus: 'Very significant' resurgences in Europe alarm WHO
Europe has seen an increase in weekly cases of Covid-19 for the first time in months as restrictions are eased, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
In 11 countries, which include Armenia, Sweden, Moldova and North Macedonia, accelerated transmission has led to "very significant resurgence", said Regional Director Dr Hans Henri Kluge. His warnings about the risk of resurgence had become reality, he said. If left unchecked, he warned health systems would be "pushed to the brink". More than 2.6 million cases of Covid-19 and 195,000 deaths have been reported in the WHO's European region, which is expansive, covering 54 countries and seven territories across Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia. Almost 20,000 new cases and more than 700 new deaths are being recorded daily. "For weeks, I have spoken about the risk of resurgence as countries adjust measures," Dr Kluge told a virtual news conference on Thursday. -
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
FFS, It is not just "more testing." Do you have a MAGA hat?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
We might have to. Or it might be nothing. We've been through this many times with humanity. But now, for the first time more or less, we understand how to put a death toll on those decisions. So unlike previous times, we understand that we are literally deciding to kill people by having these things. So unlike before where we didn't know any different, now we have to decide, as a species, how many deaths are we willing to have to enjoy large gatherings, and of which types.
This isn't a complain about them in the past, people didn't know. No one knew. We still know very little. But we now know that these things create the opportunities for pandemics. A lot of things need to change if life matters.
It's like Europeans coming to the Americas. They had absolutely no idea that their diseases would spread like crazy and kill most people. But today, we'd not do the same thing again because we know what would happen. And likewise, they didn't know that they wouldn't get all kinds of diseases. They just rolled the dice and overall, had no idea what anything did.
But with knowledge comes responsibility.
