Ubiquiti introduces EdgeRouter X
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@scottalanmiller said:
I did think it was new though. I've only seen TP-Link for about a year.
TP-Link was in the Rochester Best Buy when I was up there for school... that was several years ago.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I did think it was new though. I've only seen TP-Link for about a year.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I did think it was new though. I've only seen TP-Link for about a year.
Yes, I'm quite aware of who they are, hence my description. Cheap, low end Chinese gear. Bulk stuff. This doesn't suggest that they've been broadly available in the US for any length of time.
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Here in Europe they are very common and in Africa. My understanding was that China and other low cost markets were nearly their entire market until just recently making an attempt to move into a lower than previously available slot in the US market. But I was not aware that retailers had been carrying them for long and never knew of anyone buying the stuff in the US.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Are you saying you know of people who are buying this? I never said it wasn't in retail stores, just that I've never heard of someone buying it.
The way retail stores are quickly killing non moving items, it wouldn't be on the shelf any longer if it wasn't selling.
Best Buy has become a pointless trip these days as they only carry the top two, maybe three items in a field that sell.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Are you saying you know of people who are buying this? I never said it wasn't in retail stores, just that I've never heard of someone buying it.
The way retail stores are quickly killing non moving items, it wouldn't be on the shelf any longer if it wasn't selling.
Best Buy has become a pointless trip these days as they only carry the top two, maybe three items in a field that sell.
I'm not saying that they are not selling now. I just don't know anyone who is buying them. I'm not saying that my circles don't tend to be above average for technical spending. Just that I've never heard of anyone in IT or any consumer that I know of buying them. It's just a cross section and that's the information that I have.
That the lowest end stores, like Best Buy and Staples, push them, I assume that they are selling. But I assumed that it was mostly the grand parent set and similar. I've never even come across one in a business, not even tiny two and three people businesses.
Are you guys really seeing these deployed in homes and businesses?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Yes, I'm quite aware of who they are, hence my description. Cheap, low end Chinese gear. Bulk stuff. This doesn't suggest that they've been broadly available in the US for any length of time.
Apparently you are not more than aware of their existance. If you read the article and or source articles you would know they have been in the US market directly via a US based company branch since 2008.
And yes I HAVE seen many many of them out there in the wild, because, you know, I actually do field work.
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@JaredBusch said:
Apparently you are not more than aware of their existance. If you read the article and or source articles you would know they have been in the US market directly via a US based company branch since 2008.
That there was a WAY to get them and that they were broadly available are not the same thing.
How many people here knew their name say three years ago?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I did think it was new though. I've only seen TP-Link for about a year.
Yes, I'm quite aware of who they are, hence my description. Cheap, low end Chinese gear. Bulk stuff. This doesn't suggest that they've been broadly available in the US for any length of time.
They've been hear since earlier in the 2000's
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@JaredBusch said:
Apparently you are not more than aware of their existance. If you read the article and or source articles you would know they have been in the US market directly via a US based company branch since 2008.
You keep changing what I've said to something different.
I've stated that they weren't broadly available. I've said I've never seen them in homes or business. I've said that I've known who they were for about a year. These are all true facts.
You can say I have no expose. You can say my experience is bad or pointless. You can say that being in the field is more important than other types of work. That's all fine opinion. But don't act like you are disputing what I've said, because you are stating things that are not in opposition to what I've said.
I'm shocked that people are deploying these and that you feel that they are super common and apparently that they've been everywhere and common for seven years. I've literally never seen one out of the box in the US (other than the one I bought that was just an adapter from Amazon) ever.
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@scottalanmiller said:
How many people here knew their name say three years ago?
I did. The S side of the SMB sector is full of them because they were at best buy and office max.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
They've been hear since the early 2000's.
Broadly? Like in any major retailer they were there with Netgear, LInksys, D-Link and Belkin?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
They've been hear since the early 2000's.
Broadly? Like in any major retailer they were there with Netgear, LInksys, D-Link and Belkin?
Don't know. But their 5 port switches used to be better quality than the others available for SOHO back then. Now days not so much.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I would never spend a penny on a TP-Link. Worthless garbage. Been saddled with one in Spain and it was hell. Spend the extra $2 to get serious gear.
Ouch, really? I have deployed a bunch of them.
Also, we have a bunch of TrendNET switches here that work well for us. Completely unmanaged of course.
Don't know about TrendNet. But definitely not stuff I would be too likely to look at. What's making you use that kind of stuff?
TP-Link is the super, ultra cheap Chinese stuff sold to third world consumers. I've never seen someone buy it in the US before.
TrendNet is pretty google as far as NIC and wireless. Never tried their switches or any networking gear but for SOHO I'd be willing to take a bet that they are fine.
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TrendNet I feel that I've been seeing for longer. Five or six years at least I've seen them pushing ads. But haven't gotten to use them anywhere.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Are you guys really seeing these deployed in homes and businesses?
Yes, but it was a few years ago.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You keep changing what I've said to something different.
No, I have not changed anything you said. You are simply wrong.
I've stated that they weren't broadly available. I've said I've never seen them in homes or business. I've said that I've known who they were for about a year. These are all true facts.
They have been broadly available and a common purchase for years. Just because you have not seen them in your limited view does not mean that the rest of us have also not seen them.
You can say I have no expose. You can say my experience is bad or pointless. You can say that being in the field is more important than other types of work. That's all fine opinion. But don't act like you are disputing what I've said, because you are stating things that are not in opposition to what I've said.
Yes, I am. You are choosing not to interpret it that way and will attempt to word me to death so that I will give up the conversation.
I'm shocked that people are deploying these and that you feel that they are super common and apparently that they've been everywhere and common for seven years. I've literally never seen one out of the box in the US (other than the one I bought that was just an adapter from Amazon) ever.
Again you are stating that they are not common because YOU have not seen one. This is anecdotal. This is not proof either if you want to be that way about it..
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You keep changing what I've said to something different.
No, I have not changed anything you said. You are simply wrong.
I've seen them places and just don't remember, is that what you are saying?
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@JaredBusch said:
You can say I have no expose. You can say my experience is bad or pointless. You can say that being in the field is more important than other types of work. That's all fine opinion. But don't act like you are disputing what I've said, because you are stating things that are not in opposition to what I've said.
Yes, I am. You are choosing not to interpret it that way and will attempt to word me to death so that I will give up the conversation.
So your exposure is so incredibly broad, extensive and definitive that not only is my anecdotal experience so worthless that it shouldn't be mentioned, but even its existence is wrong?
What makes your anecdotal experience so authoritative? I didn't state that they didn't exist, only that I had not seen them. But from your anecdotal experience they are common. Why does your experience definitely make them common and mine definitely mean nothing?
Why does you doing the same thing not equal anecdotal but mine makes me wrong and has no value?
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I will happily accept that anecdotal evidence of seeing them "all the time" is more likely to be meaningful than anecdotal of "never having seen one." If one person saw crickets all the time and another person never saw one, it doesn't suggest that there are no crickets but only that crickets are possibly localized.
My experience is mostly limited, on site that is, to NY, Texas, Pennsylvania and South Carolina in any broad sense. And NY which is my broadest experience tends to have different products or the potential for that compared to most US markets (many alcoholic drinks common in the US aren't legal in NY for example.)
But it is still valuable and both cases are anecdotal.
As more people say that they have seen them for years, I'm more and more surprised that I've never even seen them in a store - which I go to I assume as often as anyone else. But if they are really just everywhere, I'm just shocked. I wonder why I continue to never encounter one (in the US.)
