How Often Is a Degree a Negative
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
That's awesome, but then how do you get your resume in front of the hiring manager? are you limited to only head hunters?
This seems like a, "It's not what you know, it's who you know.", situation.
Sigh! exactly! so if you're stuck going through normal channels you have little chance of ever getting these sweet gigs that Scott's received.
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Do you not know how to google and find who is in what postition at a company. Find their information then contact them.
Most of the jobs I've come across waiting a masters some even a bacholers pay much less than those not looking for it.
Actually my last job when looking for my replacement required a bacholers because of how much more advanced the network was after I redid it. Which makes no sense why they jump to that conclusion as I'm the one who configured and installed it. They also lowered the pay by about $12,000 a year.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Do you not know how to google and find who is in what postition at a company. Find their information then contact them.
Most of the jobs I've come across waiting a masters some even a bacholers pay much less than those not looking for it.
Actually my last job when looking for my replacement required a bacholers because of how much more advanced the network was after I redid it. Which makes no sense why they jump to that conclusion as I'm the one who configured and installed it. They also lowered the pay by about $12,000 a year.
LOL lower the pay and increased the requirements... just WOW!
And of course I know how to Google a person - for those that are listed. My thinking though must be fractured - if I see a posting for a job online, the contact information is either going to be for HR, or for the hiring manager. If it's for HR, then I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that HR is a required involved department in that company to get that job. End arounding HR and trying to determine who the hiring manager is and contacting them directly seems, wrong. If it's the hiring manager, then I don't need to even bother searching, well, because it's right there.
If the job isn't posted as an opening... how do you find out about them? Usually it's because you've found yourself connected with a decent headhunter who knows those hiring managers and they tell you about the new opportunities.
I suppose there's always the shot in the dark, just cold sending your resume to hiring managers for companies you like to see if they have any openings.
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@Dashrender said:
If the job isn't posted as an opening... how do you find out about them? Usually it's because you've found yourself connected with a decent headhunter who knows those hiring managers and they tell you about the new opportunities.
Head hunters. I know of very few good jobs placed through ads. It's not how anyone works anymore.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
If the job isn't posted as an opening... how do you find out about them? Usually it's because you've found yourself connected with a decent headhunter who knows those hiring managers and they tell you about the new opportunities.
Head hunters. I know of very few good jobs placed through ads. It's not how anyone works anymore.
Apparently I need to start finding some good head hunters....
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Strangely, I can't get headhunters to hang out in a social community. A huge market is being missed.
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I always send hand written letters to hiring managers. Sure they might have to get HR involved. but, HR is just advise and there for the process most of the time. It's the managers final say and even if not they have a lot of pull with HR.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I always send hand written letters to hiring managers. Sure they might have to get HR involved. but, HR is just advise and there for the process most of the time. It's the managers final say and even if not they have a lot of pull with HR.
Yes, I've always had HR get involved but only at the end, just to do background checks and that sort of stuff. HR does the final offer, but the hiring manager makes the call.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
If the job isn't posted as an opening... how do you find out about them? Usually it's because you've found yourself connected with a decent headhunter who knows those hiring managers and they tell you about the new opportunities.
Head hunters. I know of very few good jobs placed through ads. It's not how anyone works anymore.
Apparently I need to start finding some good head hunters....
Ditto.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I always send hand written letters to hiring managers. Sure they might have to get HR involved. but, HR is just advise and there for the process most of the time. It's the managers final say and even if not they have a lot of pull with HR.
Yes, I've always had HR get involved but only at the end, just to do background checks and that sort of stuff. HR does the final offer, but the hiring manager makes the call.
A huge local tech company, West Corporation, is just stuck in the dark ages. They don't use head hunters - who wants to pay the 25% fee of the total compensation package to someone because you found me a body, and before you respond.. yes I know the benefits of head hunters... start another topic if you'd like
- HR controls who is and isn't hired. Short of a VP getting involved.. if the job description says degree required.. it's required, no matter what! -
@Dashrender said:
A huge local tech company, West Corporation, is just stuck in the dark ages. They don't use head hunters - who wants to pay the 25% fee of the total compensation package to someone because you found me a body, and before you respond.. yes I know the benefits of head hunters... start another topic if you'd like
- HR controls who is and isn't hired. Short of a VP getting involved.. if the job description says degree required.. it's required, no matter what!Never heard of them. How big are they? HR might control things there, but that's rare and how you kow a company isn't a good one to work for.
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Well obviously not that big as they aren't part of the Fortune 100. They are 787 in the Fortune 1000.
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@Dashrender said:
Well obviously not that big as they aren't part of the Fortune 100. They are 787 in the Fortune 1000.
Very "high tech" company...
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They have never had a great web presence. I remember about 20 years ago they had their page defaced within 2 days of going live on. It was pretty funny.
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@scottalanmiller You just don't have flash installed.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller You just don't have flash installed.
That's his point. No high tech company should be using Flash on their homepage anymore.
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@Dashrender Plenty do.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller You just don't have flash installed.
Of course not, what decade is it? I'm on a web site, not an arbitrary app site.
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller You just don't have flash installed.
That's his point. No high tech company should be using Flash on their homepage anymore.
Or, you know, ever. It was considered unprofessional and embarrassing in 2002!! I remember it being discussed in web companies in 2000 and avoided because only crappy companies with no clue did that.
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No degree here, seem to be doing ok.
