FiOS Router Issues and Non-Technical Landlords
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
You could always call AT&T and ask them why there connection doesn't work well when you illegally download torrents. Also could ask them why sharing connections between two people isn't working well. They'll be glad to set you up with another account or even a businesses connection. Heck since its FiOS they probably have a way of doing two connections over a single fiber drop .
Why does torrenting have to be illegal? Just answer the question, not an answer in relation to AJ.
You can't expect something to work properly when you are using it in many was outside of the TOS and you don't legally have access to the router either.
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Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord. -
@thecreativeone91 said:
You could always call AT&T and ask them why there connection doesn't work well when you illegally download torrents.
You laugh, but I've actually had this call once. Dumb shit kid was complaining that his downloads were slow. Went through our favorite subcontinent for not understanding shit and got to me at level 3 because I was taking calls as a level 2 guy. The first question I asked was "Where are you downloading from?" "BitTorrent" was his reply. After properly chastising the T1 agent for his inability to ask even the most basic of questions, I promptly educated the customer on the inconsistent nature of distributed downloads.
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@Dashrender said:
Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.There isn't even a formal lease. I guess you would consider it all under the table at this point. He's just a guy helping a friend.
And no, I'm not stealing access. I was given permission to use his network. Using two networks itself is not illegal, or even breaking the TOS of Verizon. If he uses Verizon's router and it's network and had a separate router and network, that doesn't break any TOS. The main reason I do it is because the wireless signal doesn't reach to my part of the house. Not a big house, but lots of plaster, etc.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@JaredBusch said:
Notes:
- FiOS is Verizon not AT&T.
- Crappy routers have nothing to do with the carrier.
That's what I thought. But, He's said they had an AT&T connection before.
Nope, I've never said that.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
What Cache?
A lot of crappy routers cannot handle the simultaneous connection load of torrents over days and need to be rebooted to clear their connection cache.
What I'm thinking. Verizon claims their routers are good but they suck. I had similar issues before I dropped their router completely when I was in Texas.
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
It could be AT&T controlling your connection either from ya'll using too much data from a home connection or hosting stuff.
I don't know, I've heard this complaint from a lot of people on FiOS. It just seems they are using a really terrible router/modem combo thing.
It really is.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
You could always call AT&T and ask them why there connection doesn't work well when you illegally download torrents. Also could ask them why sharing connections between two people isn't working well. They'll be glad to set you up with another account or even a businesses connection. Heck since its FiOS they probably have a way of doing two connections over a single fiber drop .
Why does torrenting have to be illegal? Just answer the question, not an answer in relation to AJ.
You can't expect something to work properly when you are using it in many was outside of the TOS and you don't legally have access to the router either.
Nothing I'm doing is illegal or against TOS.
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
You could always call AT&T and ask them why there connection doesn't work well when you illegally download torrents. Also could ask them why sharing connections between two people isn't working well. They'll be glad to set you up with another account or even a businesses connection. Heck since its FiOS they probably have a way of doing two connections over a single fiber drop .
Why does torrenting have to be illegal? Just answer the question, not an answer in relation to AJ.
Thank you. Torrenting itself isn't illegal. A large number of Linux distros are distributed this way.
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We've been over this before accessing the router that you don't have permission to access is illegal. Sharing the connection is against the TOS.
And while some torrenting is legal. Most of it's use is not. almost all linux distro provide http downloads that are much faster than the torrent downloads.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
We've been over this before accessing the router that you don't have permission to access is illegal. Sharing the connection is against the TOS.
And while some torrenting is legal. Most of it's use is not. almost all linux distro provide http downloads that are much faster than the torrent downloads.
Wrong. Torrent downloads are infinitely faster.
Also, I DO have permission to access it. Also, how is it against TOS? He's not making me pay to use it. I pay to live there and I share his internet. I share his bandwidth. @PSX_Defector could comment on this more, but you're again getting off the topic of the OP.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Also, I DO have permission to access it. Also, how is it against TOS? He's not making me pay to use it. I pay to live there and I share his internet. I share his bandwidth. @PSX_Defector could comment on this more, but you're again getting off the topic of the OP.
We've been over how as clear as day and obvious as crap it is that it is against the TOS and obviously you are paying for it. You need to give this up. The amount that it has been shown that you are wrong here is staggering. It can't possibly be explained any more clearly than it has been. Everyone here is very aware that it is against the TOS AND that he is charging you for it as part of your lease. Period. End of story.In your own words.... "whatever".
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I pay to live there and I share his internet. I share his bandwidth.
This is you explaining how you are paying for it and how it violates the TOS. How you don't realize you just explained it is completely beyond me. It's part of your rent. Period. You give him money, part of what you get is Internet You paid for it.
When you but a combo meal at McDonald's you can't say that any part of it was free. You paid for a bundle. Money was exchanged for all of it.
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@Dashrender said:
Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.
I would very much like to see where it says that.
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@thanksajdotcom with highlights. Took 5 seconds on google, 10 seconds on Verizon. 30 seconds to highlight it all. Now stop being stupid.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.
I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?
and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.
I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?
Considering it's a mortgage, that'd be out of the question. Also, many children pay rent to their parents. How is this situation any different? Since everyone wants to get technical, I would fall under the same kind of classification as a child would because there is no official lease, I don't have separate utilities, and I share an address. From the standpoint of the law, I an not a tenant.
