CloudatCost OpenDNS Issue
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
Taking this analogy A.J., think about it this way. You've very publicly exposed your current IP to this server, that's a public facing wide open DNS server (It doesn't matter if it's got Webroot on it or not). How long do you think it will take for a rouge to infiltrate and commandeer that server for their own purposes right under your nose? And those who decided to use your DNS server are suddenly at risk. Maybe not physically, but they are at risk of harm. Digital harm.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
Taking this analogy A.J., think about it this way. You've very publicly exposed your current IP to this server, that's a public facing wide open DNS server (It doesn't matter if it's got Webroot on it or not). How long do you think it will take for a rouge to infiltrate and commandeer that server for their own purposes right under your nose? And those who decided to use your DNS server are suddenly at risk. Maybe not physically, but they are at risk of harm. Digital harm.
DNS has been locked down. That was something I was not aware of. I have resolved that. The way I did the setup was correct, except I was wrong in my understanding of the Open DNS vs OpenDNS emails and the threat is could potentially pose to others. That's been resolved.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
That's nice. I still don't see it as an apples to apples comparison.
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@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
I appreciate that Joel. I really do.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
That's nice. I still don't see it as an apples to apples comparison.
Because something isn't physical? Because you only want to apply laws when it's convenient for you?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
DNS has been locked down. That was something I was not aware of. I have resolved that. The way I did the setup was correct, except I was wrong in my understanding of the Open DNS vs OpenDNS emails and the threat is could potentially pose to others. That's been resolved.
Hey! I lost my internet now!
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
I appreciate that Joel. I really do.
Np
Just step away from this thread and never open it again. Move on with your day, and make sure to do the right thing now that you understand the licensing.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
That's nice. I still don't see it as an apples to apples comparison.
Because something isn't physical? Because you only want to apply laws when it's convenient for you?
I didn't say that. You've been arguing this whole time trying to prove to me you're right. I have not argued that you're right or wrong. I've argued that I cannot see it that way. My mind does not process the data and arrive at your conclusion. It's possible and even likely I'm wrong. But the viewpoint you are trying to get me to adopt just does not compute. So you can keep arguing with me about how you're right or wrong, but that's an irrelevant point.
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@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
I appreciate that Joel. I really do.
Np
Just step away from this thread and never open it again. Move on with your day, and make sure to do the right thing now that you understand the licensing.
Yeah, I've had to do that in the past with a few threads before. Guess it's just time to do that with another one.
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Most of the time that people argue with me trying to get me to admit I'm "wrong", they don't even realize that they are fighting the wrong fight. On most things, it's not that I'm fighting that I'm right. I'm just trying to explain that when the information I have goes into my head, the output is not what they're getting. My conclusion is not always right, although it many times has been. My conclusion is how my mind interprets the data and determines the result of the problem presented. Take it for what you will.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
I appreciate that Joel. I really do.
Np
Just step away from this thread and never open it again. Move on with your day, and make sure to do the right thing now that you understand the licensing.
Yeah, I've had to do that in the past with a few threads before. Guess it's just time to do that with another one.
put the keyboard down
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Most of the time that people argue with me trying to get me to admit I'm "wrong", they don't even realize that they are fighting the wrong fight. On most things, it's not that I'm fighting that I'm right. I'm just trying to explain that when the information I have goes into my head, the output is not what they're getting. My conclusion is not always right, although it many times has been. My conclusion is how my mind interprets the data and determines the result of the problem presented. Take it for what you will.
You don't need to explain yourself everytime you are wrong. Just move on. Its almost like you are trying to convince yourself its ok because.... Everyone is wrong from time to time. Just man up, admit it, and move on. You are fueling the fire of the online bullies.
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Well we got a new user during that. Welcome @PaulBunion haha.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Most of the time that people argue with me trying to get me to admit I'm "wrong", they don't even realize that they are fighting the wrong fight. On most things, it's not that I'm fighting that I'm right. I'm just trying to explain that when the information I have goes into my head, the output is not what they're getting. My conclusion is not always right, although it many times has been. My conclusion is how my mind interprets the data and determines the result of the problem presented. Take it for what you will.
Yeah ... my 14 year old tries that, too. She's still wrong.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Most of the time that people argue with me trying to get me to admit I'm "wrong", they don't even realize that they are fighting the wrong fight. On most things, it's not that I'm fighting that I'm right. I'm just trying to explain that when the information I have goes into my head, the output is not what they're getting. My conclusion is not always right, although it many times has been. My conclusion is how my mind interprets the data and determines the result of the problem presented. Take it for what you will.
Yes, that is how the brain works. Information goes in and conclusions come out. If your conclusions are proven incorrect that would mean you are "wrong". You are, of course, free to believe that it means something different. No laws, no rules, can tell you what to think. That's about the only real, true, freedom anyone has.
However, when you start interacting with others, the rules and laws make a difference. If you decide to ignore them there can be real consequences that you will be forced to deal with.
Take that for what you will.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Most of the time that people argue with me trying to get me to admit I'm "wrong", they don't even realize that they are fighting the wrong fight. On most things, it's not that I'm fighting that I'm right. I'm just trying to explain that when the information I have goes into my head, the output is not what they're getting. My conclusion is not always right, although it many times has been. My conclusion is how my mind interprets the data and determines the result of the problem presented. Take it for what you will.
I have this problem too. Even when I am wrong, I feel the need to diagnose my thinking and determine how I got somewhere wrong. What's important, I think, is to either stop doing this OR figure out how to make it super duper clear that you know you are wrong, you aren't arguing, you aren't attempting to excuse anything and you just want to figure out what you did wrong and what lead you astray. If you don't make that crazily clear, people think you are arguing.
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Perhaps this will help, AJ:
When there's only one person going on about something, it's very easy to dismiss that person as a statistical outlier. A nutjob, if you will, out in left field. However, when EVERYONE is saying the same damn thing, it's time to stop trying to "explain" what's in your head and accept the fact that you made a mistake. Were wrong, as it were. At that point the moral/ethical/intelligent/wise thing to do is shut up, stop arguing, and simply accept that what you're hearing is the truth.
I say this not from a point of criticism, but of sincere desire to help. I was exactly the same way as you for many years. My 14 year old is that way now. Ultimately, nobody cares what's in your head. They care about what you DO. Learn to recognize when you're at the point in an argument.
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AJ, if you can't deal with the comments you get on here or in the other place then I pray to $DEITY that if you're posting on El Reg (which I assume is what you're alluding to) that you don't pull this sort of attitude over there.
Oh, I'm a member over there too.
This is going to bite you on the ass.
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http://www.mangolassi.it/topic/60/our-community-guidelines/2
It appears that I need to make some things clear in our guidelines once again. @thanksajdotcom especially please read these over again.
