Not much luck with Linux Distro's

scottalanmiller

@Obsolesce said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@CCWTech gotcha.

Yeah I've been on Mac the last few months. Still trying to learn to like it, there's a lot of minor annoyances or quirks and quality of life differences that make it harder to get used to. I still prefer Ubuntu over MacOS for work, and Win11 strictly for personal use.

Two years on MacOS and my opinion is... it's nowhere near the polish of Ubuntu. Ubuntu is SO much better. Every little task is faster, easier and more obvious on Ubuntu. And everything looks better. MacOS is generally stable, but not completely.

The hardware is fantastic to the point that I put up with it and am thrilled with how well it works. I just wish Ubuntu ran on this hardware And that I could get Final Cut Pro on ubuntu.

Obsolesce

@scottalanmiller said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

The hardware is fantastic to the point that I put up with it and am thrilled with how well it works.

Yes definitely this.

scottalanmiller

@Obsolesce said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@scottalanmiller said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

The hardware is fantastic to the point that I put up with it and am thrilled with how well it works.

Yes definitely this.

At least it has improved. Twenty years ago I could not have made it work at all.

CCWTech

@scottalanmiller said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@CCWTech said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@Obsolesce said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@CCWTech gotcha.

Yeah I've been on Mac the last few months. Still trying to learn to like it, there are a lot of minor annoyances or quirks and quality-of-life differences that make it harder to get used to. I still prefer Ubuntu over MacOS for work, and Win11 strictly for personal use.

Not sure what changed, and maybe I am speaking too soon, but after trying Nobara I reinstalled Fedora, and no crashes in 2 days...

Could just be that tehre is a new driver since then.

Very well possible.

rjt

@CCWTech
I rarely ever have had to power off a Linux OS if any kind - in 2 decades. Maybe because I never left Linux for the Mac. Definitely because i like troubleshooting and finding how things work more than actually using the pc for normal productivity. Maybe you know all about these, but did not see these mentioned:

CTRL-ALT+f[1-7]

* `ssh [email protected]` from another machine.  Again, helpful to set this up ahead of time before crash.  Copy your `~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub` public key to the nvidia box ahead of time either manually or `ssh-copy-id user@nvidiabox`
* `xrandr`
* **?REISUB** - Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring is the keystroke combo known only to contortionists.     Keep `CTRL-ALT-SysRq` held down and tap ?, r, e, i, s, u, b.     Do this from a virtual terminal ahead of time.   Press `?` key for menu.   Don’t press `b` key until you are sure you want to reBoot.

rjt

@rjt dang, most of what I typed up disappeared upon submit and reformatted not how I intended. Will have to try again from a desktop.

rjt

@Obsolesce in the long run, proprietary hardware and software causes the most issues.

CCWTech

Right now... knock on wood, Fedora 38 is running like a champ. I am pretty happy.

Obsolesce

@rjt said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

@rjt dang, most of what I typed up disappeared upon submit and reformatted not how I intended. Will have to try again from a desktop.

Not really. When you own and design the entire stack (hardware + OS) like in Apple's case, you get consistency and generally more stability.

Imagine this:
One operating system supporting a million difference manufacturers, hardware combinations & configurations, vendors, inconsistent serial numbers, etc.

Versus:
One operating system supporting exactly the hardware it was designed to support from the ground up, limited and known hardware combinations and configurations, consistent serial numbers, etc.

Yes they both have their pros and cons in different areas, but to say such a blanket statement like that is far from accurate.

scottalanmiller

@Obsolesce said in Not much luck with Linux Distro's:

Not really. When you own and design the entire stack (hardware + OS) like in Apple's case, you get consistency and generally more stability.

Gotta agree with Obs here. Vertical stack integration was chosen by IBM, Sun and other leaders when stability and performance were job one. Apple was garbage when they used "standard" parts, now they are untouchable because they are unique. They learned the lessons of trying to use common parts. Windows really suffers from that, they picked a very hard road. Makes more money, delivers less results.

scottalanmiller

The Linux / Windows approach gives you far more flexibility. MacOS is useless in a million scenarios. But when it is good, it's really good. The UI is still pretty crap, but things like patching they can do with a reliability no one else can. No matter how hard anyone tries, vertical integration of components means things like patching can be tested completely, not just spot checked.