So Windows 11??
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Companies need to make money… not that windows didn’t make money before, but the old method of a one time sale is pretty much gone… most have moved to a subscription model.
Part of me says that ms should just straight up move to that model for windows. You’re on a current system, then something like $20/yr, as it gets older ramp the price up because support becomes more Expensive even if only for updates because you have to leave devs back on the older platforms instead of move if their work to the modern current one of the day.
Of course, if that happens, I think the jump nix bases OSes would skyrocket for home use.
But maybe not… maybe more people would go Mac or chromeOS
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@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
Companies need to make money… not that windows didn’t make money before, but the old method of a one time sale is pretty much gone… most have moved to a subscription model.
Part of me says that ms should just straight up move to that model for windows. You’re on a current system, then something like $20/yr, as it gets older ramp the price up because support becomes more Expensive even if only for updates because you have to leave devs back on the older platforms instead of move if their work to the modern current one of the day.
Of course, if that happens, I think the jump nix bases OSes would skyrocket for home use.
But maybe not… maybe more people would go Mac or chromeOS
People are very used to subscriptions so I think almost no one would switch. But I don't think Microsoft is doing that.
I think they are going the Facebook route. The service (Windows OS) will be "free" for the consumer but they will be the product.
They will bring in money from their cloud services and do their old classic integration in Windows that will disfavor the competition. Like they have done with many, many services. Pretending them to be essential to the OS. Like Internet Explorer.
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I think they will eventually push their OS to a basic model within the next 30 years and push a azure virtual desktop more for home use, knowing that way they can they can bring a monthly income for every desktop. It wouldn't even surprise me with their sudden interest in linux that they will change to the linux kernel with a windows compatibility layer, they could then save more by getting the help of the Linux community and probably less outgoings for them on their windows team. they are already bringing lots of implementations to windows already for their 365/azure stuff. They are obviously knowing most users have internet these days otherwise they wouldn't be forcing the Microsoft Account Login. It's all about being online now and windows I can see going this way.
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If you want more customisation and privacy without companies selling your data and generally a secure OS then Linux distributions are they way to go in my eyes.
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No more having to go into control panel...
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@obsolesce Finally.....
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
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@hobbit666 said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
Assuming you're using something other than Windows Home edition (possibly). I would assume Microsoft wouldn't force this on businesses, but I see them trying to lead people down the path of the "Desktop as a Service" route and charging a routine fee.
Microsoft is likely seeing how this pans out and if there is an appetite to spend additional monies on something that has traditionally been a "non-seen cost" of the home PC.
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Then of course there is the question of why would Microsoft even consider this as an option? Why are people forced to have a Microsoft Account tied to something that as traditionally been a personal device.
This article makes a pretty strong argument for not using an MS account.
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For something to compare this against, I liken this move to what Adobe did when it was originally released. Free for Colleges and course work and after however many years they confirmed people were locked into the software (didn't know anything else) and force people to open a subscription to use it.
There's a ton of money just sitting out there, waiting to be dumped into Desktop as a Service, but Microsoft has likely missed the true mark on this one, as the Linux community is pushing hard to make some extremely strong competition.
If and when gaming is Linux Ready for the blockbuster type games, I can see the Windows Desktop experience almost completely going away.
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@hobbit666 said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
You don't know if they will disable you doing this on the the final release of the Home Edition.
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@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
Then of course there is the question of why would Microsoft even consider this as an option? Why are people forced to have a Microsoft Account tied to something that as traditionally been a personal device.
This article makes a pretty strong argument for not using an MS account.
Why not? Apple and google have basically made you do the same for iPhones and Android (google'fied ones) for ages... While it is possible to use these devices without an account, it's severely limited.
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@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
@hobbit666 said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
Not that easy currently, either.
I find it very easy, just don't have it connected to the internet when installing. You then select offline account.
Assuming you're using something other than Windows Home edition (possibly). I would assume Microsoft wouldn't force this on businesses, but I see them trying to lead people down the path of the "Desktop as a Service" route and charging a routine fee.
Microsoft is likely seeing how this pans out and if there is an appetite to spend additional monies on something that has traditionally been a "non-seen cost" of the home PC.
I disagree. Desktop as a service has no money in it. The way they license to OEM is the only way to make money on most users. I don't believe people are willing to pay monthly subscription for an OS. There are so many platforms that are better for users, and they don't/won't pay. Google and Apple would never charge for an OS because the real money is on selling software / apps and getting a cut of every sale. Providing the OS just gives the user an easy path to their store.
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@irj said in So Windows 11??:
I disagree. Desktop as a service has no money in it.
It absolutely does have money in it, specifically so ads can be targeted to people who use said desktop. What other reason could there be for this push to need a Microsoft account to use a desktop?
It's all driven by money and to believe that there is no money in DaaS is looking at a tree but ignoring the forest...
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@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
@irj said in So Windows 11??:
I disagree. Desktop as a service has no money in it.
It absolutely does have money in it, specifically so ads can be targeted to people who use said desktop. What other reason could there be for this push to need a Microsoft account to use a desktop?
It's all driven by money and to believe that there is no money in DaaS is looking at a tree but ignoring the forest...
They can use ads without it being a service. Look at what Ubuntu did how many years ago with Amazon.
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@dustinb3403 said in So Windows 11??:
@irj said in So Windows 11??:
I disagree. Desktop as a service has no money in it.
It absolutely does have money in it, specifically so ads can be targeted to people who use said desktop. What other reason could there be for this push to need a Microsoft account to use a desktop?
It's all driven by money and to believe that there is no money in DaaS is looking at a tree but ignoring the forest...
What @IRJ was saying is that you can't get people to subscribe for the desktop, that's where there is no money...
But you're right, MS can monetize the desktop through ads and other included junkware.
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@pete-s said in So Windows 11??:
Microsoft of course knows they will sell more OS as more people will need to get new computers.
Isn't that the opposite? People don't pay for the OS, it's essentially a loss to MS on new hardware. And pissing people off at a time when a huge percentage of new computers aren't MS (Apple and Chromebooks are huge market shares on currently purchased machines) seems utterly foolish. Because triggering people to want to try out another ecosystem is a bad idea because trust me, no one uses Windows once they are comfortable with an alternative.
Forcing people to get new computers forces them to evaluate their OS choice instead of allowing them to just stay with it.
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
y purchased machines) seems utterly foolish. Because triggering people to want to try out another ecosystem is a bad idea
For home users that might come pretty close to true.. but in business, not so much.
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@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
y purchased machines) seems utterly foolish. Because triggering people to want to try out another ecosystem is a bad idea
For home users that might come pretty close to true.. but in business, not so much.
You say that, but every business I know certainly does that. You'd have to be some pretty dysfunctional business owners (we know, your one case is like that, but you can't use that to reflect the populace) to get screwed over by your vendor that doesn't even make a good product or provide support and not do your due diligence when that happens.
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@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
@dashrender said in So Windows 11??:
@scottalanmiller said in So Windows 11??:
y purchased machines) seems utterly foolish. Because triggering people to want to try out another ecosystem is a bad idea
For home users that might come pretty close to true.. but in business, not so much.
You say that, but every business I know certainly does that. You'd have to be some pretty dysfunctional business owners (we know, your one case is like that, but you can't use that to reflect the populace) to get screwed over by your vendor that doesn't even make a good product or provide support and not do your due diligence when that happens.
Yet millions of Windows machines still are out there running in businesses.
