Cellular backup options
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@JasGot said in Cellular backup options:
We use the Peplink MAX BR1 Mini LTE | Industrial-Grade 4G LTE Router | MAX-BR1-MINI-LTE-US-T at about 80 customers. We like it. It's easy, it works. Verizon charges anywhere from $10 to $20 per month depending on how you get them to include it.
The hardest part of any failover system (except the integrated solution from Comcast) is the router setup. We use all Sonicwall and it works perfect for FailOVER, but every once in a while it doesn't failBACK.
I even carry one of these with us on vacation when we travel to remote places where cellular IS available but decent copper broadband ISN'T.
This plugs into you network via ethernet, or it can be a WiFi router. (or both!)
Here's a link: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR5YKF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That looks like a decent solution too. I like that you can go to other networks like Verizon, etc.
It's always another network. 4G providers are almost never physical ISPs.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@JasGot said in Cellular backup options:
We use the Peplink MAX BR1 Mini LTE | Industrial-Grade 4G LTE Router | MAX-BR1-MINI-LTE-US-T at about 80 customers. We like it. It's easy, it works. Verizon charges anywhere from $10 to $20 per month depending on how you get them to include it.
The hardest part of any failover system (except the integrated solution from Comcast) is the router setup. We use all Sonicwall and it works perfect for FailOVER, but every once in a while it doesn't failBACK.
I even carry one of these with us on vacation when we travel to remote places where cellular IS available but decent copper broadband ISN'T.
This plugs into you network via ethernet, or it can be a WiFi router. (or both!)
Here's a link: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR5YKF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That looks like a decent solution too. I like that you can go to other networks like Verizon, etc.
It's always another network. 4G providers are almost never physical ISPs.
Right, but what I meant was that I didn't know if Comcast used their own cell network. However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?
Another alternative would be to get a second physical connection in the building. However, the only other option is a super slow DSL connection. But as just a backup, that could works as well.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?
Comcast has agreements with all of the cellular networks. Who the underlying carrier is depends on your geo location. This is why they may send you a new sim card if you move to a new area that is serviced by another carrier.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
That is what we use a lot for this type of options. -
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.
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@travisdh1 said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.
Did they use cradlepoint direct with their own LTE connection? Or did they use the Comcast connection pro solution?
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@dbeato said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
That is what we use a lot for this type of options.Do these devices get the same IP from the cellular carrier all the time? S2S VPNs or other things tied to IPs will be challenged if not.
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@JasGot said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?
Comcast has agreements with all of the cellular networks. Who the underlying carrier is depends on your geo location. This is why they may send you a new sim card if you move to a new area that is serviced by another carrier.
Its' AT&T in most locations we have with them.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
We are a VoIP vendor and we often use this with clients for VoIP protection. We've never seen any double NATting issues.
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@Dashrender said in Cellular backup options:
@dbeato said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
That is what we use a lot for this type of options.Do these devices get the same IP from the cellular carrier all the time? S2S VPNs or other things tied to IPs will be challenged if not.
I believe that they do.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@travisdh1 said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.
Did they use cradlepoint direct with their own LTE connection? Or did they use the Comcast connection pro solution?
They were all Verizon.
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@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.
I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.
I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.
Oh, too bad. Not a huge deal in most cases, but not ideal.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.
I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.
I'm really not surprised by this - Making your IPs work across different networks is a pretty huge deal.
Personally - I just want the same IP (the one assigned by cellular) when I'm on cellular everytime - that way a backup VPN route can be setup to that IP, or whitelisted in firewalls for things like PBX's, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.
I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.
I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.
I'm really not surprised by this - Making your IPs work across different networks is a pretty huge deal.
Personally - I just want the same IP (the one assigned by cellular) when I'm on cellular everytime - that way a backup VPN route can be setup to that IP, or whitelisted in firewalls for things like PBX's, etc.
That's where more robust VPN design comes into play. Like having a central controller like ZeroTier, or a hub and spoke where you reach out to a central point. End points connecting directly to each other with no coordination is a fragile design.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah, Our team, when working from home, likes to RDP into their PCs at the office. They use either traditional VPN, or Zerotier. Some of them claim to have issues with Zerotier, claiming it is "slow" for them. I never use traditional VPN anymore and I only use Zerotier if I have to RDP to anything at the office. I never experience slowness of any kind with Zerotier.
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@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller Yeah, Our team, when working from home, likes to RDP into their PCs at the office. They use either traditional VPN, or Zerotier. Some of them claim to have issues with Zerotier, claiming it is "slow" for them. I never use traditional VPN anymore and I only use Zerotier if I have to RDP to anything at the office. I never experience slowness of any kind with Zerotier.
Yeah, change is "hard"
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@dbeato said in Cellular backup options:
@AdamF said in Cellular backup options:
@scottalanmiller Yeah, Our team, when working from home, likes to RDP into their PCs at the office. They use either traditional VPN, or Zerotier. Some of them claim to have issues with Zerotier, claiming it is "slow" for them. I never use traditional VPN anymore and I only use Zerotier if I have to RDP to anything at the office. I never experience slowness of any kind with Zerotier.
Yeah, change is "hard"
Zerotier is was such a game changer for us. Remember the old MPLS / pay a fortune days? DO NOT miss those.
