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      Fredtx
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      Someone from my church asked if I could design a website for her. She wants something simple where she can blog, and upload videos. I know nothing about designing websites, but if there is a simple solution I can help set her up with, I would be happy to help her.

      Any ideas on what to implement or possibly where to direct her to?

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        IRJ
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        hostadillo.com

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          marcinozga
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          Since it's a church, I'm guessing there's zero budget to hire professional. Wix or similar builders will probably be best for her.

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            Fredtx @marcinozga
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            @marcinozga said in Website Creation Recommendations:

            Since it's a church, I'm guessing there's zero budget to hire professional. Wix or similar builders will probably be best for her.

            It's more for her personal use, but she is on a budget. I can find out how much she's willing to pay, and compare different products and solutions. I'll look into Wix or hostadillo.com

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              1337
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              Maybe just use wordpress.com? I think it's free.

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                scottalanmiller
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                If they want to do blogging and stuff, WordPress is the easiest option I think. Flexible with blogging built in.

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                  gjacobse
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                  Word press, but donโ€™t go WIX or WP,...
                  They add annoying crap to the domain name

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                    JasGot
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                    Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                    https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

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                      Fredtx @JasGot
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                      @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                      Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                      https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

                      Nice! Thank you!

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                        scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                        @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                        Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                        https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

                        They offer hosting, but expect you to be a competent, experienced web master doing your own database management and they never (AFAIK) give you cache access so that you can properly manage your WP instance. I know of no service like that where you get a good site in the end because to do so requires a level of technical integration at the app layer that they can't provide.

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                          JasGot @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                          @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                          Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                          https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

                          They offer hosting, but expect you to be a competent, experienced web master doing your own database management and they never (AFAIK) give you cache access so that you can properly manage your WP instance. I know of no service like that where you get a good site in the end because to do so requires a level of technical integration at the app layer that they can't provide.

                          For someone who is just starting out, and using it for personal use, it will likely be a perfect stepping stone.

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                            scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                            @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                            @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                            Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                            https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

                            They offer hosting, but expect you to be a competent, experienced web master doing your own database management and they never (AFAIK) give you cache access so that you can properly manage your WP instance. I know of no service like that where you get a good site in the end because to do so requires a level of technical integration at the app layer that they can't provide.

                            For someone who is just starting out, and using it for personal use, it will likely be a perfect stepping stone.

                            Well, the problem is that it's a much larger step. It's not an impossible step, but it's one that leaves security, performance, management, etc. up to you rather than having it handled. Not a big deal, but often a surprising amount of work for someone who thinks that they are paying for something and finds out that they may actually get nothing for their money. Paying $5/mo for hosting that might be harder to use and far less performant than a $5 VM and getting no support or services for that money is a bit odd, I think. If you are in need of assistance, you will want to receive that assistance. If you aren't, then you'd want to run your own VM and get all the power and flexibility and ease of use that that provides.

                            The "cPanel" hosts I think are a scam. Harder to use, higher cost, and slower performance than just running your own server. They give the illusion of getting everything managed for you, but my experience is that they actually have so much complexity that they create more work from something that was actually quite easy if you don't use them.

                            I went down this path convinced that standard web hosting must make sense and learned my lesson. Not a big deal, but I'd say it's the opposite of a stepping stone.

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                              scottalanmiller
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                              For comparison, it's $3.50 for a dedicated VM on Vultr that should be much faster and easier to maintain. If you are willing to do the effort needed for a cPanel host, save yourself the effort and the money and take the smaller step, with more valuable learning, and just run a standard LAMP / LEMP / LOMP server.

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                                scottalanmiller
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                                Vultr also offers LAMP, LEMP and CWP pre-configured options, too. I had forgotten about those. I'd still deploy from the command line, it's so easy and standard. But there are these "already done for you" options, too.

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                                  travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                  @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                  @JasGot said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                  Lots of places offer wordpress hosting for very low cost. Here's one example:
                                  https://www.dreamhost.com/wordpress/shared-wp-hosting/

                                  They offer hosting, but expect you to be a competent, experienced web master doing your own database management and they never (AFAIK) give you cache access so that you can properly manage your WP instance. I know of no service like that where you get a good site in the end because to do so requires a level of technical integration at the app layer that they can't provide.

                                  For someone who is just starting out, and using it for personal use, it will likely be a perfect stepping stone.

                                  Well, the problem is that it's a much larger step. It's not an impossible step, but it's one that leaves security, performance, management, etc. up to you rather than having it handled. Not a big deal, but often a surprising amount of work for someone who thinks that they are paying for something and finds out that they may actually get nothing for their money. Paying $5/mo for hosting that might be harder to use and far less performant than a $5 VM and getting no support or services for that money is a bit odd, I think. If you are in need of assistance, you will want to receive that assistance. If you aren't, then you'd want to run your own VM and get all the power and flexibility and ease of use that that provides.

                                  The "cPanel" hosts I think are a scam. Harder to use, higher cost, and slower performance than just running your own server. They give the illusion of getting everything managed for you, but my experience is that they actually have so much complexity that they create more work from something that was actually quite easy if you don't use them.

                                  I went down this path convinced that standard web hosting must make sense and learned my lesson. Not a big deal, but I'd say it's the opposite of a stepping stone.

                                  My personal favorite "What are you thinking" "feature" of cPanel is the custom compiling Apache options. Seemed like every time I wanted to change what is normally a basic option within an OS, I had to recompile Apache within cPanel.

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                                    VoIP_n00b @travisdh1
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                                    I wonder why cPanel is the industry standard?

                                    ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‚

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                                      gjacobse @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                      Vultr also offers LAMP, LEMP and CWP pre-configured options, too. I had forgotten about those. I'd still deploy from the command line, it's so easy and standard. But there are these "already done for you" options, too.

                                      I forget that, but had thought (but didnโ€™t) suggest a VULTR instance could be a simple, good option.

                                      And you get snapshot option

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                                        scottalanmiller @VoIP_n00b
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                                        @VoIP_n00b said in Website Creation Recommendations:

                                        I wonder why cPanel is the industry standard?

                                        ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‚

                                        Because it's really easy to sucker people by claiming things are "easy" and they don't look any further. Same as like with macOS. Anyone who's used it knows it is the hardest OS out there to learn, but people spend a fortune because advertising says "it's easy." It takes no effort to convince non-technical people that "running a webserver is hard... so buy this thing."

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                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Selling "make it easy" solutions for things that are already easy is a tried and true pattern for big money making.

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                                            jmoore
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                                            Don't forget github/gitlab pages with a static generator.

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