Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
I think a huge part of this pay is also where you live.
Some company is now looking to allow their employees to WFH, from almost anywhere, but they are going to crush your pay based upon where you choose to live. We talked about it here a few days ago.
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@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
CIO isn't a Systems Admin or Engineer. CIO is just a policy maker. Ours Makes way more than $500k as does any of our executive leadership.
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@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
Was that at Citi?
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
CIO isn't a Systems Admin or Engineer. CIO is just a policy maker. Ours Makes way more than $500k as does any of our executive leadership.
If you ask Scott, he'll tell you that the CIO is the basically the ultimate IT Admin. I believe he also calls them IT Generalists.
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@IRJ said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
Was that at Citi?
I'm not sure if Citi is the same as Wallstreet or not?
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@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Obsolesce said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
But admins head closer to $500K.
Where?
You can easily get in the $200-250k range but to get above that you pretty much got to go into the research science, supercomputer/computer science kind of stuff IMO.
Scott was the CIO or a step or so below or to the side of that making that much or more on wallstreet. So sure, it's possible, but again, just super rare.
CIO isn't a Systems Admin or Engineer. CIO is just a policy maker. Ours Makes way more than $500k as does any of our executive leadership.
If you ask Scott, he'll tell you that the CIO is the basically the ultimate IT Admin. I believe he also calls them IT Generalists.
Maybe in a company with less than 50 people.
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In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
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@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
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@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
Only larger SMBs are likely to have the head IT/CIO/IT Director - whatever - making $200K+
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
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@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
So lets say that's there is only two IT in the company. An System Admin and IT Director. The IT Director quits. Are you still an System Admin? Will you be getting paid more?
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@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
So lets say that's there is only two IT in the company. An System Admin and IT Director. The IT Director quits. Are you still an System Admin? Will you be getting paid more?
They aren't an IT director, maybe that's what they are calling them but it's an IT manager or IT Supervisor if all they have under them is a Systems Administrator.
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@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
So lets say that's there is only two IT in the company. An System Admin and IT Director. The IT Director quits. Are you still an System Admin? Will you be getting paid more?
Even at that level, calling the higher level one a Director is a joke. Unless he is actually directing IT decisions in the company, in that case he's likely the CIO/Director and also likely still hands on IT as needed (like the other guy is on vacation, or more).
So back to your question - is the company planning to replace the guy who left? if not, then as the person who stayed, I'd be demanding more money because I'm assuming my workload just doubled, and as the non decision maker, my role likely just changed as well - to decision maker.
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@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
Who makes the decision on what to buy really doesn't have anything to do with titles. normally it's not a director making those kinds of decisions, an IT director is more involved with the business side of things and making sure their teams have plans to meet those needs and come up with solutions to business problems.
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
CIO isn't a Systems Admin or Engineer. CIO is just a policy maker. Ours Makes way more than $500k as does any of our executive leadership.
GD?
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@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@Dashrender said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@thecreaitvone91 said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@black3dynamite said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
In these days in a SMB, what's the difference between an System Admin and a IT Director? Because its hard for me to believe that a System Admin or whatever random title you were giving would making a $200K and up.
There's a big difference. an IT director Manages people, specifically, a Director manages managers and/or supervisors. The CIO is at the top of the chain(an executive), they do very little day to day managing of people, usually go to the board and shareholder meetings set policies etc. an Admin is working on the systems/network.
If an SMB is using those titles interchangeably they are using the titles wrong.
In an SMB, one typically wears many hats.
I personally dropped IT Director (what my boss calls me) to IT admin. While I advise what to buy, I haven't been the one making the decisions, though I suppose my opinion does weigh heavily...
Who makes the decision on what to buy really doesn't have anything to do with titles. normally it's not a director making those kinds of decisions, an IT director is more involved with the business side of things and making sure their teams have plans to meet those needs and come up with solutions to business problems.
Sure, in a company of 1000 people, or a super top heavy smaller one.
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@Pete-S said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
I know it's a millennial thing to be inefficient and out of touch intentionally. but outside of "failure culture" it's always been ubiquitous.
Funny and sad but true!
Could it be some kind of student mindset that keeps lingering in their brains, even 10 years after they left school?
There does seem to be the "perpetual student", and not in a good way, that seems to happen in millennial culture. Not the "continuous learner" that we hope that people will be, but the lazy bohemian that goes contrary to business just because it is felt to be "cool" to do things without actually thinking them through or understanding them to fit in with the crowd.
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@Sam-I-Am said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
@scottalanmiller said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
Typically we see engineers cap out around $225K. But admins head closer to $500K.
I am making much less then that as an engineer. You have opened my eyes. Do you have some links you could share of jobs in that salary range?
The highest paying sector of the IT world has always been in finance - because IT drives that market more than any other (IT starts to bleed into operations.) And what they do is magnified because of the banking industry - so a $50bn bank and a $50bn social media company each having a one minute outage or a data loss incident, the bank is hit 100x worse at the same scale as a Facebook or Google would be. So IT is dramatically more valuable in every vector - security, performance, uptime, reliability, accuracy, data loss, etc.
Of finance, it's investment banking that by far makes the most. So that's the famous "Wall St" and "Canary Wharf" firms (e.g. CitiGroup, not CitiBank.) If consumers know the name, it's probably not an investment bank.
Of investment banking, the top paid is usually hedge funds because they have the least regulation and so are free to hire the best without caps.
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@EddieJennings said in Will Tech Giants actually adopt WFH?:
I don't work for a tech giant, but I'm hoping where I am now will be more willing to allow work from home, especially since it's clear other than resolving hardware issues, people on my team have been 100% work from home since mid-March and work is getting done.
Tech giants tend to be in like the 90-95th percentile for pay. High, for sure, but the gap between the 95th percentile and the top is a big one. And in a market with hundreds of thousands of people, the top 5% is still a lot of people.
