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@stacksofplates said in VMware Community Homelabs:
There's a ton that goes into this and you can't just say it's cheaper to buy your own server vs rent a compute space. Things like K8s, "serverless" (whether you like that term or not), hosted ML, etc have completely changed the landscape.
These are cool techs, for sure. But if you need these, and you get beyond a basic scale (cloud is generally cheaper at the itty bitty scales before you get to the size of a single server) then you can implement your own at lower cost.
The "pre-built" value of most cloud providers means that there is a barrier to entry for non-cloud options. But once you breach that limit, cloud is rarely cost effective. It just gets more and more expensive, unless you need the elastic capacity and enough elastic capacity to overcome the cost difference, which is often pretty tough to do.
I've worked in some pretty large, pretty elastic environments and while they went cloud in many cases, they ended up paying a premium for it once all was said and done.
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@scottalanmiller said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@stacksofplates said in VMware Community Homelabs:
I don't get what you mean. You're charged for data going out but not coming in.
We aren't charged for either. I don't understand where you are getting this assumed cost.
AWS charges for egress through their gateways.
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@scottalanmiller said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@stacksofplates said in VMware Community Homelabs:
There's a ton that goes into this and you can't just say it's cheaper to buy your own server vs rent a compute space. Things like K8s, "serverless" (whether you like that term or not), hosted ML, etc have completely changed the landscape.
These are cool techs, for sure. But if you need these, and you get beyond a basic scale (cloud is generally cheaper at the itty bitty scales before you get to the size of a single server) then you can implement your own at lower cost.
The "pre-built" value of most cloud providers means that there is a barrier to entry for non-cloud options. But once you breach that limit, cloud is rarely cost effective. It just gets more and more expensive, unless you need the elastic capacity and enough elastic capacity to overcome the cost difference, which is often pretty tough to do.
I've worked in some pretty large, pretty elastic environments and while they went cloud in many cases, they ended up paying a premium for it once all was said and done.
So all of those things assume elastic capacity. No one buys 500 ec2 instances and runs them forever unless that's the min required to meet their need.
Everything has the possibility of being elastic. That's kind of my point. Small or large you benefit from being elastic. But it also depends on the workload. Some are much harder to make elastic even though it's possible. So that's why I began with it depends on the workload.
Yeah and that premium was most likely cheaper than trying to run self hosted with just VMs.
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Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I got rid of my DL380 but I have an R710 running. I also have a micro form factor optiplex that I run my containers on. Hopefully going to replace my r710 with it.
I also run stuff on my laptop. KVM on your laptop is exactly the same as KVM on a rack server. It definitely counts as a home lab.
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If you're using libvirt the networking is exactly the same also. It just doesn't work super well with wireless.
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@stacksofplates said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@scottalanmiller said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@stacksofplates said in VMware Community Homelabs:
There's a ton that goes into this and you can't just say it's cheaper to buy your own server vs rent a compute space. Things like K8s, "serverless" (whether you like that term or not), hosted ML, etc have completely changed the landscape.
These are cool techs, for sure. But if you need these, and you get beyond a basic scale (cloud is generally cheaper at the itty bitty scales before you get to the size of a single server) then you can implement your own at lower cost.
The "pre-built" value of most cloud providers means that there is a barrier to entry for non-cloud options. But once you breach that limit, cloud is rarely cost effective. It just gets more and more expensive, unless you need the elastic capacity and enough elastic capacity to overcome the cost difference, which is often pretty tough to do.
I've worked in some pretty large, pretty elastic environments and while they went cloud in many cases, they ended up paying a premium for it once all was said and done.
So all of those things assume elastic capacity. No one buys 500 ec2 instances and runs them forever unless that's the min required to meet their need.
Everything has the possibility of being elastic. That's kind of my point. Small or large you benefit from being elastic. But it also depends on the workload. Some are much harder to make elastic even though it's possible. So that's why I began with it depends on the workload.
Yeah and that premium was most likely cheaper than trying to run self hosted with just VMs.
Everything has some elasticity, sure. I agree. But most workloads, let's just use email as an example, while elastic is "nominally elastic". Out of hundreds of clients, each with multiple workloads, you'll be lucky to find one or two with a single workload with enough elasticity to bother justifying an elastic service, even if it was otherwise cost effective. But once you mix it into other workloads, the elasticity might not have any benefit.
What I mean is... let's take your nominally elastic workloads that have no way to justify cloud computing elasticity. They create a paid-for infrastructure. Then your elastic workloads will, on average, fit onto the spare capacity created by the mechanism making the elastic services a loss from a cloud perspective.
From what I've seen, for elastic services to be beneficial, it has to not only be a dramatic amount of elasticity, but also a large portion of your overall workload capacity.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a Raspberry Pi running.
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@Obsolesce said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a Raspberry Pi running.
That's cute!
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@Obsolesce said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a Raspberry Pi running.
Better than a laptop.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@Obsolesce said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a Raspberry Pi running.
That's cute!
I do too, as an actual server
In addition to a dozen big rack mounts.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a r710 server that I use has a homelab for long term lab setups. And I also use my home desktop that has 32 GB of RAM for some random VM setups.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@Obsolesce said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have a Raspberry Pi running.
That's cute!
I know right!?
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Here's my desktop & by no stretch would I even call this a homelab!
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@Pete-S said in VMware Community Homelabs:
5 billion hits per day is Google type traffic
You are confusing 5 billion hits/searches per day with requests. Not the same thing.
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@FATeknollogee I have a nice lab at home. Most of my VMs are on Hyper-V Server 2019. Way more equipment than I need. I only use Vultr for my Unifi Controller. Everything else (except email) I self-host.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have an R510 and another box I rent. It's cheaper to pay $50/month for an online server for the pieces I want to keep online and keep the R510 for the newest "This is going to break things" stuff.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I do have kvm on my laptop and run vm's from there but I also use a cloud server from Rackspace where I ssh into to install and run things.
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@FATeknollogee said in VMware Community Homelabs:
Aside from @scottalanmiller who else on here has a homelab ?
ps, before you run to your keyboard, spare me the response, running a hypervisor on your laptop is NOT a home lab!
I have an older DL360 that I run a few things on. Primarily I need the hardware for my Plex server. If it weren't for that I wouldn't have a home lab at all. I am currently looking to upgrade to something a little more energy efficient.
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@Obsolesce said in VMware Community Homelabs:
@Pete-S said in VMware Community Homelabs:
5 billion hits per day is Google type traffic
You are confusing 5 billion hits/searches per day with requests. Not the same thing.
Yes, you're right, I was confused. I read "requests" but thought "page views".
