Is Flickr circling the drain
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Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
They need to find another business model but that is unlikely so they will probably just wither away and die a quiet death in obscurity. -
A big QQ email IMO.
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@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
What about it do you feel doesn't make sense? For photographers, what's really competing with it? I don't see how smartphones affect the need.
Flickr's real problem I think is in that they offer free services when they are really designed around pros.
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I just got the email this morning.
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@JaredBusch said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@JaredBusch odd, nothing has come in to me.
It’s a beg for money so if you’re a pro subscriber you probably didn’t get it
Speaking of which do you Americans see this
when you visit any Wiki page, cause i didn't see it when I lived in Jordan. And im Curios if Wiki thing Americans are generous and nice like us
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@Emad-R said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@JaredBusch said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@JaredBusch odd, nothing has come in to me.
It’s a beg for money so if you’re a pro subscriber you probably didn’t get it
Speaking of which do you Americans see this
when you visit any Wiki page, cause i didn't see it when I lived in Jordan. And im Curios if Wiki thing Americans are generous and nice like us
Yes. I need to donate thanks for reminding me.
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@Emad-R said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@JaredBusch said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@JaredBusch odd, nothing has come in to me.
It’s a beg for money so if you’re a pro subscriber you probably didn’t get it
Speaking of which do you Americans see this
when you visit any Wiki page, cause i didn't see it when I lived in Jordan. And im Curios if Wiki thing Americans are generous and nice like us
This is something wikipedia does every year. It's how they raise all the funding to run the website, and only for a few days each year.
Yeah, only 2% of people who see that actually donate, but it's enough that they continue to operate. I'd say it's effective enough.
Now I need to go throw a donation there way myself.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
What about it do you feel doesn't make sense? For photographers, what's really competing with it? I don't see how smartphones affect the need.
Flickr's real problem I think is in that they offer free services when they are really designed around pros.
agreed, the free service should be something like 5 GB of storage, or less...
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@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
What about it do you feel doesn't make sense? For photographers, what's really competing with it? I don't see how smartphones affect the need.
Flickr's real problem I think is in that they offer free services when they are really designed around pros.
agreed, the free service should be something like 5 GB of storage, or less...
The problem is that they built flickr when everyone and their uncle had a dSLR and was an amateur photographer. Back when newspapers still had photographers on staff. When the world was different. So their potential user base was huge.
Today people use instagram to post their images or snapshat or whatever. They don't need anything that flickr offers and don't care. Those that still care and have other needs are a tiny minority that get smaller and smaller each day. So yes, if they change their business model they could survive as a small niche operator. Similar to how Tri-X and HP5 have survived.
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@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
What about it do you feel doesn't make sense? For photographers, what's really competing with it? I don't see how smartphones affect the need.
Flickr's real problem I think is in that they offer free services when they are really designed around pros.
agreed, the free service should be something like 5 GB of storage, or less...
The problem is that they built flickr when everyone and their uncle had a dSLR and was an amateur photographer. Back when newspapers still had photographers on staff. When the world was different. So their potential user base was huge.
Today people use instagram to post their images or snapshat or whatever. They don't need anything that flickr offers and don't care. Those that still care and have other needs are a tiny minority that get smaller and smaller each day. So yes, if they change their business model they could survive as a small niche operator. Similar to how Tri-X and HP5 have survived.
Good points - what is Tri-X and HP5? seriously, what are they?
but, as you said - Flickr is basically dead to the general public... they need to kick people like my wife off their service - she has two accounts, because she was unwilling to pay for more storage for the first. Which reminds me.. time to pull those pictures out of there and into google.
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@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Flickr doesn't make sense in a world full of smartphones and visual overload.
What about it do you feel doesn't make sense? For photographers, what's really competing with it? I don't see how smartphones affect the need.
Flickr's real problem I think is in that they offer free services when they are really designed around pros.
agreed, the free service should be something like 5 GB of storage, or less...
The problem is that they built flickr when everyone and their uncle had a dSLR and was an amateur photographer. Back when newspapers still had photographers on staff. When the world was different. So their potential user base was huge.
Today people use instagram to post their images or snapshat or whatever. They don't need anything that flickr offers and don't care. Those that still care and have other needs are a tiny minority that get smaller and smaller each day. So yes, if they change their business model they could survive as a small niche operator. Similar to how Tri-X and HP5 have survived.
Good points - what is Tri-X and HP5? seriously, what are they?
but, as you said - Flickr is basically dead to the general public... they need to kick people like my wife off their service - she has two accounts, because she was unwilling to pay for more storage for the first. Which reminds me.. time to pull those pictures out of there and into google.
Tri-X and HP5 are two legendary fast black and white negative films. The technology that made handheld photography possible and defined the photojournalism genre.
At one time it was something you could pick up in almost any store and something that every photographer used on a daily basis. Today it's a very small niche product for mostly street photographers and artists.
So it survived the onslaught of color photography, the obliteration of film in favor of digital photography as well as the entire smartphone photography revolution. But the market share went from 100% to 0.001% in the process.
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@Pete-S said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Tri-X and HP5 are two legendary fast black and white negative films. The technology that made handheld photography possible and defined the photojournalism genre.
I'm younger, it was T-Max primarily for me. I was one of the few people with the facilities and training to be able to develop T-Max 3200 because one mistake meant everything was blown out.
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@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Which reminds me.. time to pull those pictures out of there and into google.
That was sarcasm right?
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I've never used Flickr, so I'm asking...
What's the benefit of using it over OneDriver for example? I can store them there automatically. I can view my photos and everything album style and easily, what does Flickr provide above that to make photo and video storage better?
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@Obsolesce said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
What's the benefit of using it over OneDriver for example?
Rather a bit...
- Standard web interface
- Huge archive of pics as it was the first app of its kind, so entrenched
- Public, searchable viewing
- Extreme meta data capabilities (this is where modern tagging was invented) with public display
- Automatic and simple licensing management
- Automated image resizing and retrieval
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So for example...
If I use another service how do I get my images to have publicly searchable tags, location, maps, titles, descriptions and discussion?
If I use another service how to I tell people I meet how to view them? My Flickr you can just look up my username.
Because of the licensing and communications system built into Flickr, companies reach out to me for permission, licensing or payment to use my images commercially. My work has been used in websites, travel books, television (MTV), corporate marketing, etc. because of its availability on Flickr.
Things like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
So for example...
If I use another service how do I get my images to have publicly searchable tags, location, maps, titles, descriptions and discussion?
If I use another service how to I tell people I meet how to view them? My Flickr you can just look up my username.
Because of the licensing and communications system built into Flickr, companies reach out to me for permission, licensing or payment to use my images commercially. My work has been used in websites, travel books, television (MTV), corporate marketing, etc. because of its availability on Flickr.
Things like that.
I see, good to know.
In my case, I don't want anything public, so I suppose it's not needed.
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@Obsolesce said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
So for example...
If I use another service how do I get my images to have publicly searchable tags, location, maps, titles, descriptions and discussion?
If I use another service how to I tell people I meet how to view them? My Flickr you can just look up my username.
Because of the licensing and communications system built into Flickr, companies reach out to me for permission, licensing or payment to use my images commercially. My work has been used in websites, travel books, television (MTV), corporate marketing, etc. because of its availability on Flickr.
Things like that.
I see, good to know.
In my case, I don't want anything public, so I suppose it's not needed.
Right, to just be picture storage or backup, OneDrive is great. As is Google Drive. Flickr is specifically an image sharing, tagging, licensing, and publishing platform. It's purpose is for your pictures to interact with the public, not to hold them for you personally.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Obsolesce said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
So for example...
If I use another service how do I get my images to have publicly searchable tags, location, maps, titles, descriptions and discussion?
If I use another service how to I tell people I meet how to view them? My Flickr you can just look up my username.
Because of the licensing and communications system built into Flickr, companies reach out to me for permission, licensing or payment to use my images commercially. My work has been used in websites, travel books, television (MTV), corporate marketing, etc. because of its availability on Flickr.
Things like that.
I see, good to know.
In my case, I don't want anything public, so I suppose it's not needed.
Right, to just be picture storage or backup, OneDrive is great. As is Google Drive. Flickr is specifically an image sharing, tagging, licensing, and publishing platform. It's purpose is for your pictures to interact with the public, not to hold them for you personally.
Well, in that case, definitely not a platform for me.
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@JaredBusch said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
@Dashrender said in Is Flickr circling the drain:
Which reminds me.. time to pull those pictures out of there and into google.
That was sarcasm right?
Nope, wife did this like 6 years or more ago. She wanted an easy way to share pictures with family - that's what she found. Though the idea of them being completely public - nope, not on her mind, or desire.
