Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?
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@Dashrender Toshiba still making
machines?Edit: I meant Computers...I love their copiers!
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@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Tecra
Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..
They'z in big troubles. No new machines for a long time now. They were in the news on and off because of the mess as I recall.
The Z50-C had a plastic bottom to cut costs though still the magnesium top. It was still one CPU generation behind the Dell units when it was released.
We had a lot of Z50-C CPU fans go wonky with buzzing noises too. We've replaced a lot of them. Fortunately, we can call Toshiba, we're a long standing partner, and get them as field replaceable units. Otherwise it's take it in. That's a PITA.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender Toshiba still making
machines?Edit: I meant Computers...I love their copiers!
We had one 8 years ago, bought it 5 years before that - it was the worst copier we had ever had. Jamed all the time, just constant issues.
replaced with Konica, and that was recently replaced by a Canon... both have been WAY better machines.
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@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Tecra
Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..
They'z in big troubles. No new machines for a long time now. They were in the news on and off because of the mess as I recall.
The Z50-C had a plastic bottom to cut costs though still the magnesium top. It was still one CPU generation behind the Dell units when it was released.
We had a lot of Z50-C CPU fans go wonky with buzzing noises too. We've replaced a lot of them. Fortunately, we can call Toshiba, we're a long standing partner, and get them as field replaceable units. Otherwise it's take it in. That's a PITA.
Toshiba laptop division is Dynabook now. Latest gen Z50 are Z50-E with 8-gen intel CPUs. I still run the Z50-A as well.
I've always considered Toshiba business laptops as one of the highest quality laptop you could get. An engineering company much more so than marketing blah blah. Hopefully there will be new machines coming.
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@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Tecra
Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..
They used to be good but, yeah, I thought that they were gone.
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@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
I've always considered Toshiba business laptops as one of the highest quality laptop you could get. An engineering company much more so than marketing blah blah. Hopefully there will be new machines coming.
that's how they used to be, I wasn't aware anything new was still coming from them.
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@creayt said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
Damn dude you just missed a deal that was exactly what you're looking for. Bummer.
It's Lenovo, so automatically blacklisted.
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You can get a refurbished or new Dell Latitude E6420 or better for $200 to whatever your heart is content with.
Mine has dual SSD, 16 GB of RAM, i7, hdmi/vga and usb3. If able always get the newer version of it. Honestly because the video card needs to at least Intel or you can get an nvidia, I always get a usb adapter for display (3rd or 4th) but you could use a docking station. Works fine for me.
If you don't want a laptop then I can give you an actual desktop I use if space isn't an issue.
I just ordered a brand new dell laptop, they can fit up to 32 GB DDR4 which is obviously cheaper on the new models, but beware, some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
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Alternatively, you could and an external gfx card adapter. I got one, works like a charm.
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@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably) -
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
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@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis. -
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.What you are describing would be the difference between 2 SKUs and 4 SKUs or even more.
I'm not surprised they limit like this - it's highly expensive to have multiple SKUs - plus, like you have already pointed out - it's more profitable to simply force them into a higher tier.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
BTW, if you truly need speed you should go with one of the workstation or gaming laptops. They have a different, faster category of CPU. Higher TDP compared to the everyday laptops (45W versus 15W). But still slow compared to the desktop CPUs, which should be the choice for speed.
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@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7. -
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.
So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.
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@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.
So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.
No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more.
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@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.
So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.
Just checked and i5 mobile CPUs have had hyperthreading since 1st generation, introduced in 2010.
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@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.
So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.
No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more.Are you talking about the desktop CPUs? You do know that they are completely different compared to the mobile CPUs right?
i5 mobile != i5 desktop -
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
@krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:
some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!
This sort of crap pisses me off.
This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)yeah - I agree with that.
Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.
Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.
So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.
Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.
So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.
No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more.Are you talking about the desktop CPUs? You do know that they are completely different compared to the mobile CPUs right?
i5 mobile != i5 desktopI'm aware lol.
Fuck can't find older systems to show you.
Not all i5s had hyperthreading, I recall looking into ordering machines for our company a couple years ago, the i5s for the laptops were just 4 cores with four threads. Then the i7 had 4 cores with 8 threads.
