Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@DustinB3403 said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen which very likely means that 99.99% of their user base is subject to fines from Microsoft.
Just because others are doing it, doesn't mean you're allowed too.
I understand what you're saying, but I also think it’s probably a bit unrealistic to hire a lawyer to decode the Microsoft EULA to decide if I’m allowed to run Win 10 as a base for an IP cam installation.
Maybe that’s me being naive.
/shrugs
No lawyer needed, the EULA is quite straightforward. Nothing would require a lawyer, and a lawyer would really be of no help as it is technical IT stuff that needs deciphered from the cameras. The EULA is plain English and clear as day. How the cameras work, that's 100% on your plate to figure out.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
So I think I’m going to stick with Blue Iris but just build out a separate machine just for that. I’ve got plenty of parts lying around to white box it. It’s features and GUI are just too good and other competing surveillance software wants licensing PER CAM while Blue Iris is a flat fee.
Seems silly to have a physical host for one specific application in 2019 but unless I want to pony up $$$ for another type of software, I guess this is it.
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
I have no idea. Their recommendation is a Win 10 install. Not that it’s their problem if you invalidate a license. But I’d say that 99.999% of their user base has Blue Iris installed to Win 10.
Yes, it is standard practice for nearly all companies to recommend pirating software, unfortunately, because they have zero liability and because "it works" and it makes their products look the best possible and all the risk goes to their customers. There are some pretty big products on the market that literally have no legal way to be run in the US, in fact.
But also keep in mind that they generally offer legal options, like using Windows Server, and that using Windows 10 is fully legal in loads of companies where EULAs are not a real thing.
So it's a normal business / IT expectations that any recommendations from a vendor will be meaningless, and have no no implications as to what is legal for you, or even what will work. They are literally just part of the sales process telling you whatever you want to hear to sell the product.
That said, I've not so far seen anything to say that it would violate the EULA, I've not completed reading the thread yet.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
No, that is a client action and fully within the EULA.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Seems silly to have a physical host for one specific application in 2019 but unless I want to pony up $$$ for another type of software, I guess this is it.
Not as silly as having a product that only runs on Windows, though. So in relative terms, it's not silly at all.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
In that case, though, they recommend using Linux and provide totally free, and more enterprise options, for all users. So anyone running into any issue at all, is doing so intentionally.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
So I think I’m going to stick with Blue Iris but just build out a separate machine just for that. I’ve got plenty of parts lying around to white box it. It’s features and GUI are just too good and other competing surveillance software wants licensing PER CAM while Blue Iris is a flat fee.
Seems silly to have a physical host for one specific application in 2019 but unless I want to pony up $$$ for another type of software, I guess this is it.
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
I have no idea. Their recommendation is a Win 10 install. Not that it’s their problem if you invalidate a license. But I’d say that 99.999% of their user base has Blue Iris installed to Win 10.
OH, of course they do - doesn't make it legal. So you have to ask yourself - you ready for an audit?
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
No, that is a client action and fully within the EULA.
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
The same goes to Unifi APs - they connect to a non File/Print service ON the Windows 10 box. So that makes it against the EULA.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
In that case, though, they recommend using Linux and provide totally free, and more enterprise options, for all users. So anyone running into any issue at all, is doing so intentionally.
Sadly- no Unifi doesn't in black and why say that at all. Perhaps through understanding they imply it, but it's not in black and white that I'm aware of.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
So I think I’m going to stick with Blue Iris but just build out a separate machine just for that. I’ve got plenty of parts lying around to white box it. It’s features and GUI are just too good and other competing surveillance software wants licensing PER CAM while Blue Iris is a flat fee.
Seems silly to have a physical host for one specific application in 2019 but unless I want to pony up $$$ for another type of software, I guess this is it.
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Running it on win10 does question- does cameras streaming TO Win10 violate licensing?
Scott and I agreed that unifi APs and the controller software on win10 does violate the license, requiring the use of windows server version.
I have no idea. Their recommendation is a Win 10 install. Not that it’s their problem if you invalidate a license. But I’d say that 99.999% of their user base has Blue Iris installed to Win 10.
OH, of course they do - doesn't make it legal. So you have to ask yourself - you ready for an audit?
It shouldn't be getting caught that makes us do the right thing
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
The same goes to Unifi APs - they connect to a non File/Print service ON the Windows 10 box. So that makes it against the EULA.
In their case, it would be fun except they use it as a server, they are posting to, not being pulled from. If you remember, we had to dig into the mechanism to see that it was doing its action in a non-intuitive way that caused a problem that normally would not be there.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
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I appreciate everyone's help. As I said, I'm just going to build a small Win 10 box and be done with it. That seems to be the simplest solution as it appears that is how the software was made to operate.
Thanks for the information guys!
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
I'm guessing that's the issue then, not fully virtualized, i.e. CS isn't being virtualized, otherwise running the CS client in the VM should solve the issue.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
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@flaxking said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
Well - one feature we KNOW it does do is provide streaming access to the recorded content... but it's doing so via HTTPS, and that is specifically allowed for up to 10 (or is it 20 now) connections.
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@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
