KVM Desktop Setup Ideas
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
Fedora Server works great.
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
I really like just using Cockpit. So I start with the latest Fedora which is 29. Install KVM. That's about it.
There are some things you will want that it lacks, but they are mostly around creating the VMs, not day to day. So while they suck and need to be done at the CLI, I still prefer it most of the time. At least for stand alones.
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
There is no "best combo" it's based on whatever you need.
Why would a standalone machine be limited to 5 or 6 VMs? It could run a single VM or 100. All based on what they're doing.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why would a standalone machine be limited to 5 or 6 VMs? It could run a single VM or 100. All based on what they're doing.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
What combo is best to "get started" with KVM?
It's just for a standalone machine to host 5-6 VM's.
There is no "best combo" it's based on whatever you need.
Why would a standalone machine be limited to 5 or 6 VMs? It could run a single VM or 100. All based on what they're doing.
Presumably he only needs 5-6 VMs.
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@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAM
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAMI like the KVM + Virt-Manager approach for managing it.
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Yeah i'll only ever be running 6 VM's at the most, also the "host" is a desktop machine that only has 16GB RAM at the moment. Hopefully upgrading to 32GB when i find a machine that can donate some RAMI like the KVM + Virt-Manager approach for managing it.
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
Oh yeah, if doing this as a desktop rather than as a server.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
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I run Fedora 29 Workstation on my workstation (laptop), with a Win10 VM. I've been doing that now for years.
I use KVM and virt-viewer.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
And as Type 1s typically do a better job at being a desktop than Type 2s today, the entire Type 2 market has been essentially replaced by type 1s.
The only market left for Type 2 is people who run Windows Home edition, mostly for gaming, and can't get Hyper-V with the local pass through for it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
And as Type 1s typically do a better job at being a desktop than Type 2s today, the entire Type 2 market has been essentially replaced by type 1s.
The only market left for Type 2 is people who run Windows Home edition, mostly for gaming, and can't get Hyper-V with the local pass through for it.
I noticed a significant difference between my Win10 VM performance between Fedora 28 and 29. The performance is better.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
And as Type 1s typically do a better job at being a desktop than Type 2s today, the entire Type 2 market has been essentially replaced by type 1s.
The only market left for Type 2 is people who run Windows Home edition, mostly for gaming, and can't get Hyper-V with the local pass through for it.
Wouldn't this be a power user type move - where the person would choose to pay for Pro to get Hyper-V, to act more business like - assuming that's the goal? (related to a topic the other day)
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
No, they don't call it Hyper-V - they call it Windows 10 pro and then use Hyper-V.
That isn't the same conversation.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
What? Tons do. Both KVM and Hyper-V are very popular for exactly this.
No. . . very few people say "I'm going to install Hyper-V and use it as my daily driver on my Dell Server" no one does that.
Actually a HUGE number do. It's insanely common for developers especially and IT folk. It's hard to state how common this is.
Have you never heard of the desktop virtualization market? This is a totally normal thing. Nearly everyone I know does this, both IT and dev and loads that are neither.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
desktop machine
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
KVM is also nice because you can continue using that machine as a regular desktop as well, if you need to do so. (Can't do that with VMware, Hyper-V or XenServer).
No one expects to use their Type 1 hypervisor as a desktop.
He suggests this is going to be on a desktop machine. I'm not going to waste a desktop being only a hypervisor if it's mine.
And as Type 1s typically do a better job at being a desktop than Type 2s today, the entire Type 2 market has been essentially replaced by type 1s.
The only market left for Type 2 is people who run Windows Home edition, mostly for gaming, and can't get Hyper-V with the local pass through for it.
Wouldn't this be a power user type move - where the person would choose to pay for Pro to get Hyper-V, to act more business like - assuming that's the goal? (related to a topic the other day)
If "power user" means "normal user in IT or dev", then yes. It's not something your grandma is going to do. It IS something that loads of people do because they want to do web design, visit risky sites, want extra security, test things, need to run software from different OSes or versions, etc.
It's power user for a home user, it's not power user for any tech field.
