Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid
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Oracle has claimed that even though its APIs are free to use, they cannot be used in competing products—the company argues that Google owes nearly $9 billion in damages as a result of using these APIs in Android.
What? Android was competing with Oracle? Where and in what way? I guess they must have proved this in the brief.
This is a really bad decision and has massive ramifications. Literally anyone using Java is susceptible to Oracle now and, based on this case, will be forced to pay damages if they blink in a way Oracle doesn't like.
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"The fact that Android is free of charge does not make Google’s use of the Java API packages noncommercial," the Federal Circuit ruled. "Giving customers ‘for free something they would ordinarily have to buy’ can constitute commercial use."
This is nonsense. So all open source is now a commercial venture...
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@coliver said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
"The fact that Android is free of charge does not make Google’s use of the Java API packages noncommercial," the Federal Circuit ruled. "Giving customers ‘for free something they would ordinarily have to buy’ can constitute commercial use."
This is nonsense. So all open source is now a commercial venture...
WOW - that last sentence is just crazy!
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I was actually having a brief conversation about this with a co-worker and his stance was "java is where it's at". . .
Um yea. . . now let's start paying all of those royalties. . .
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Oracle's org chart for the past 20 years. . .
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@coliver said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
"The fact that Android is free of charge does not make Google’s use of the Java API packages noncommercial," the Federal Circuit ruled. "Giving customers ‘for free something they would ordinarily have to buy’ can constitute commercial use."
This is nonsense. So all open source is now a commercial venture...
Almost no open source uses Java, thankfully.
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@scottalanmiller said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
@coliver said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
"The fact that Android is free of charge does not make Google’s use of the Java API packages noncommercial," the Federal Circuit ruled. "Giving customers ‘for free something they would ordinarily have to buy’ can constitute commercial use."
This is nonsense. So all open source is now a commercial venture...
Almost no open source uses Java, thankfully.
Any that do need to be completely rewritten as using Java at all opens the project devs and users up to litigation with Oracle.
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At this point, isn't Oracle just a patent troll? Doing anything it can to squeeze a bit of money out of things that haven't been improved upon in decades?
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"You can use Java API as long as you dont make any money with it"
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@dustinb3403 said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
At this point, isn't Oracle just a patent troll? Doing anything it can to squeeze a bit of money out of things that haven't been improved upon in decades?
Have been for quite a while.
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@momurda said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
"You can use Java API as long as you dont make any money with it"
Yeah, WTF.
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@dustinb3403 said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
@scottalanmiller said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
@coliver said in Google Loses Java Use Suit with Oracle; Java Might Be Something to Avoid:
"The fact that Android is free of charge does not make Google’s use of the Java API packages noncommercial," the Federal Circuit ruled. "Giving customers ‘for free something they would ordinarily have to buy’ can constitute commercial use."
This is nonsense. So all open source is now a commercial venture...
Almost no open source uses Java, thankfully.
Any that do need to be completely rewritten as using Java at all opens the project devs and users up to litigation with Oracle.
ANy that do, yes. But thankfully, that's basically zero. And those that do use it are almost all nearly dead or have nearly replaced it.
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Sadly, Zimbra is an exception.
