Copying Content from other sources
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@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.
Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.
What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?
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Who cares? Does ML have the funds for a lawsuit? No, probably not. Unless we all want to start paying monthly fees for the use of ML, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of ML in the first place.
They don't want us to have anything to do with them. If that's the case, then let them go burn their boat while they are rowing it.
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Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Maybe the question is not if we are allowed to but if we should do it.
Well, that's a bigger question. And it goes both ways. To some, it seems like talking about technical content from somewhere else is bad. But most people seem to think that it is good.
What's the condition that quoting and discussing technical stuff is bad? Especially given that the need to do so is that other forums for open discussion are not available?
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
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@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.
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If you are aware of communities where people aren't free to discuss technology and business, by all means cross post here under fair use.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
@thwr said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some people may think that it's a bit odd that we are discussing 99% "orange" content. Do you remember any discussion about superuser / StackExchange topics for example?
I'm not aware of those sites blocking open discussion on their own platforms. Do they share a need for their discussions to be protected? If so, they should definitely be treated similarly. As they are Q&A platforms, rather than IT peer review platforms, they don't tend to suffer the same risks.
Just an example, but good point.
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They also tend to be... "I got error X", or just "press button Y". While useful, they tend to be very trivial with information that has little value beyond fixing the current issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Copying Content from other sources:
Some might argue a duty to discuss here (or elsewhere) as a need to protect content that is otherwise not protected, and to have open, honest discussions that are not edited, modified, or blocked.
It IS a duty to discuss and protect content in an open and honest discussion.
That is NOT the case in OrangeLand. Anyways, there is nothing anybody can do except prove it's fine to do as we were doing, if not then at least post under "Fair use" here.
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Have other communities stopped posting as everyone watches this thread? LOL
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Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.
They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.
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@minion-queen said in Copying Content from other sources:
Regardless of the rest of the discussion here. The new ML guidelines state that we will not be allowing anyone to post from that specific community any longer. I could care less if you post stuff from here there, but I do know your post will get deleted and possibly be put in account jail as well.
They don't want us posting stuff so whatever the reason legal or otherwise is not worth my headache or legal battle. I have never operated this community based on making a big profit off of you guys, so as you can imagine that is a big deal for me to not get sued.
Aye, Aye captain
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@minion-queen You support us and we support you
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@wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:
@minion-queen You support us and we support you
It's appreciate, immensely
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@wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:
@minion-queen You support us and we support you
Most definitely agree with this, I appreciate what Mangolassi.it does and for @Minion-Queen. I think what gets us worked up about it is that there is an inherent unjustness to it and it just doesn't sit well. However, like @Minion-Queen said it is not worth our time. They are not worth our time.
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This isn't right... This is the opposite of how intelligent people think. As professionals we should want to be challenged. Scientists, engineers, IT, etc all do better with challenges. If I am wrong about something point it out!
We are generally talking about making decisions with hundred of thousands or millions of dollars daily. Who the hell wouldnt want to be called out if they are doing something wrong?
So sick of this snowflake mentality where everyone's feelings matter. Fuck your feelings. There is wrong and there is right...
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@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:
@wirestyle22 said in Copying Content from other sources:
@minion-queen You support us and we support you
Most definitely agree with this, I appreciate what Mangolassi.it does and for @Minion-Queen. I think what gets us worked up about it is that there is an inherent unjustness to it and it just doesn't sit well. However, like @Minion-Queen said it is not worth our time. They are not worth our time.
Thank you very much!!
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@irj said in Copying Content from other sources:
This isn't right... This is the opposite of how intelligent people think. As professionals we should want to be challenged. Scientists, engineers, IT, etc all do better with challenges. If I am wrong about something point it out!
We are generally talking about making decisions with hundred of thousands or millions of dollars daily. Who the hell wouldnt want to be called out if they are doing something wrong?
So sick of this snowflake mentality where everyone's feelings matter. Fuck your feelings. There is wrong and there is right...
There is an issue of a lack of listening and there is an issue that we can't challenge someone's ideas. I have my beliefs/positions, you want to have a polite discussion I will have it with you. I will listen to you and I want you to challenge the hell out of me and you know what, you might change my mind. If someone challenges you and you are forced to logically defend your positions it will make you flush them out more. I also have the right to challenge your positions. You challenge what some people believe they don't want to defend it. They immediately smear you or say you have offended them. There is a lack of thinking in today's society. They just take what someone says and run with it without investigating it for themselves.
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@penguinwrangler said in Copying Content from other sources:
@irj said in Copying Content from other sources:
This isn't right... This is the opposite of how intelligent people think. As professionals we should want to be challenged. Scientists, engineers, IT, etc all do better with challenges. If I am wrong about something point it out!
We are generally talking about making decisions with hundred of thousands or millions of dollars daily. Who the hell wouldnt want to be called out if they are doing something wrong?
So sick of this snowflake mentality where everyone's feelings matter. Fuck your feelings. There is wrong and there is right...
There is an issue of a lack of listening and there is an issue that we can't challenge someone's ideas. I have my beliefs/positions, you want to have a polite discussion I will have it with you. I will listen to you and I want you to challenge the hell out of me and you know what, you might change my mind. If someone challenges you and you are forced to logically defend your positions it will make you flush them out more. I also have the right to challenge your positions. You challenge what some people believe they don't want to defend it. They immediately smear you or say you have offended them. There is a lack of thinking in today's society. They just take what someone says and run with it without investigating it for themselves.
I think this is always how people have been, hardly a new thing. We just see it differently now that so many things that used to be private discussions are now public, and recorded.
