Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
huh, that's a lot of money. Is it warranted? I like the idea, but it's not about likes, it's about business cases. For example, do you have redundancies in your current VMs?
Redundancies..can you re-ask?
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
A second server is pretty expensive, all things considered. How do you plan to use the second server? as a failover? You can only move Windows Server license once every 90 days - so having two servers in a HA setup requires having both servers licensed.
You definitely want backups - they should be stored on some other system. a secondary server to run things on is not a backup.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
KVM v Hyper-V?..I'd prefer to go KVM (not saying it's the best choice.)
I'd go KVM unless you need things Hyper-V does natively that KVM doesn't...
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
DASs make great backup locations, too, if buying a whole new server doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here?
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
DASs make great backup locations, too, if buying a whole new server doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here?
Direc Attached Storage
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
A second server is pretty expensive, all things considered. How do you plan to use the second server? as a failover? You can only move Windows Server license once every 90 days - so having two servers in a HA setup requires having both servers licensed.
You definitely want backups - they should be stored on some other system. a secondary server to run things on is not a backup.
The second server is for a backup server.
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@jaredbusch said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
DASs make great backup locations, too, if buying a whole new server doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here?
Direc Attached Storage
yeah, I know was DAS is.. how is that a good place to put a backup, unless it's attached to a different server that's not running the VMs.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
A second server is pretty expensive, all things considered. How do you plan to use the second server? as a failover? You can only move Windows Server license once every 90 days - so having two servers in a HA setup requires having both servers licensed.
You definitely want backups - they should be stored on some other system. a secondary server to run things on is not a backup.
The second server is for a backup server.
Oh you mean literally a backup server. Any reason you can't use one of your current servers for that job?
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@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Oh you mean literally a backup server. Any reason you can't use one of your current servers for that job?
Yes, a backup server.
I believe the 2x Power Edge 2950's are better off in the trash bin!
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Oh you mean literally a backup server. Any reason you can't use one of your current servers for that job?
Yes, a backup server.
I believe the 2x Power Edge 2950's are better off in the trash bin!
Well, if they both work, use one of them. Keep the other for spare parts.
You can still attach a MD1000 to it or something. -
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Oh you mean literally a backup server. Any reason you can't use one of your current servers for that job?
Yes, a backup server.
I believe the 2x Power Edge 2950's are better off in the trash bin!
Well, if they both work, use one of them. Keep the other for spare parts.
You can still attach a MD1000 to it or something.To add, I haven't looked, but there's got to be an HBA you can put in a 2950 that'll read 2TB+ drives... to use with the MD100, for example.
I have an MD1000 set up using 8TB drives. It just depends on the HBA.
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@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Oh you mean literally a backup server. Any reason you can't use one of your current servers for that job?
Yes, a backup server.
I believe the 2x Power Edge 2950's are better off in the trash bin!
Well, if they both work, use one of them. Keep the other for spare parts.
You can still attach a MD1000 to it or something.Yeah, exactly my thinking. Heck, you have three of these, keep two for spare parts, upgrade the internal storage to meet your needs, save some money on the hardware. Spend it on another Windows license.
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Maybe I'll keep both 2950 & use 1 as a spare.
The 2900 for sure is going bye-bye, it's got problems & for some reason, hard drives keep failing.
I even replaced the Perc controller & same thing still happens -
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Maybe I'll keep both 2950 & use 1 as a spare.
The 2900 for sure is going bye-bye, it's got problems & for some reason, hard drives keep failing.
I even replaced the Perc controller & same thing still happensI'd guess a bad power supply then. Getting rid of it sounds good in this case.
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Has a reminder Hyper-V 2016 is not supported on the 2950s because Hyper-V requires processors to support SLAT.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016/26
http://www.nodefinity.net/post/hyper-v-on-poweredge-2900-2950-the-end-of-the-road-is-windows-server-2012-r2 -
@dashrender said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@jaredbusch said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
DASs make great backup locations, too, if buying a whole new server doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here?
Direc Attached Storage
yeah, I know was DAS is.. how is that a good place to put a backup, unless it's attached to a different server that's not running the VMs.
Who cares is the storage is attached to which server. It is not dependent upon it unless you do something wrong.
So it Is a super fast backup target.
Then you off-site from there.
If the server is dead you have to repair/replace before you can restore whether the backup is a DAS or a NAS.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@eddiejennings said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
- Buy Server 2016 Standard license - use for new DC vm.
- Upgrade Directory Services level from 2008 to 2016.
Why only upgrade the DC? If the DC is the only thing you're going to upgrade, you might consider saving that money and installing linux with SMB instead.
Dash beat me to it.
The lob apps are Windows only & require AD.
Linux SMB provides AD - most things can't tell the difference unless there is a specific feature of AD 2016 the LOB needs.
SMB and AD are unrelated things. SMB is SMB, no matter what platform it is on. I think you are using SMB as a term for AD here?
AD and SMB are things provided.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
Let's see, I need a CAL for every user & server that connects to the "new 2016" DC?
CALs are always by user (or connecting device), never by server.
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@fateknollogee said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
Second server is for failover. Backups would just go to cloud, disk, or tape. No need for another server for backups.
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@dashrender said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@jaredbusch said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@dashrender said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
Right, so in this case, instead of that second server, purchase a single server, and spend the extra money on more Windows licenses.
And do what about no backups?
DASs make great backup locations, too, if buying a whole new server doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here?
Direc Attached Storage
yeah, I know was DAS is.. how is that a good place to put a backup, unless it's attached to a different server that's not running the VMs.
I don't understand. How is it not a good place to put the backups? A second server is more complex, expensive, and fragile as a backup target goes.
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@scottalanmiller said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@fateknollogee said in Server 2008 w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
@tim_g said in Server 2008w Hyper-V infrastructure: needs upgrades!!:
How many CALs are you going to need, roughly?
Let's see, I need a CAL for every user & server that connects to the "new 2016" DC?
CALs are always by user (or connecting device), never by server.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll need just 10.
