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If they can't delete the content they've posted because they no longer have access to the account, but asked you to, you would have to comply with that request.
How? if they've deleted their account, how are they the owners of the data? How can they prove that they owned it if they voluntarily gave up that association?
Again look at the cases I've mentioned already. Here is another link to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Spain_v_AEPD_and_Mario_Costeja_González
What does Spain have to do with it?
omfg. . .
Maybe you think Spain is a US State? It is not, it is a country in the EU.
No I don't.
Then why did you bring it up?
Does this forum allow users from Spain? Or any country from which a person might be covered under the "right to be forgotten"?
If so, yes you are required to be compliant with those countries laws, otherwise disallow users from those countries to post.
Where users ARE isn't related to the conversation. So again, why bring it up?
No, if yes we are NOT covered by laws of their country. In no way, whatsoever, is that how the law works.
Tell google that. . .
Google is in Spain, and again, nothing like anything we are discussing. That you keep bringing up unrelated topics tells me that you very confused. How do you think Google relates here?
So mangolassi.it isn't accessible in Spain?
Again, you make this statement as if it is somehow related to something said. Of course it is accessible in Spain, and OBVIOUSLY that has no bearing on the situation.
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Tell google that. . .
So mangolassi.it isn't accessible in Spain?
If it is, then you can be forced to comply with the laws of that country. Period.
I don't think it works that way.....
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these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
If it is, then you can be forced to comply with the laws of that country. Period. The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
No, this is, again, where you have no basis. It does not make this happen.
Just like deleting an account doesn't make things published by that account disappear.
You state one false thing, then state something totally unconnected as a result of said false thing. You need to CONNECT the things that you say.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
So, by that logic, as this can be reached in North Korea, if you've ever said anything against their regime, you feel that you should be arrested, sent to North Korea to be slave labour? Because that's what you just said.
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@stuartjordan said in SW rant time:
these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
Right, like Google does. Google does business in the EU and is therefore covered by EU laws. We knew that all along.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
That would be, if this site opperated in multiple countries. As it does not, I'm unclear why you are even discussing this.
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The fact that you think you can't be forced to comply is a very disconcerting matter regarding general practice of managing a service that works in multiple countries around the world.
So, by that logic, as this can be reached in North Korea, if you've ever said anything against their regime, you feel that you should be arrested, sent to North Korea to be slave labour? Because that's what you just said.
There is a very clear difference between being arrested and sent to a foreign nation than there is with deleting a billboard.
Is there? They are based on the exact same logic. Where is the difference? Both are using the very statement that you made as their basis - that the laws of EVERY country that can SEE the website MUST be followed regardless of the local laws.
Ergo, you said it, not me. I just pointed out how silly it was.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
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these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
Right, like Google does. Google does business in the EU and is therefore covered by EU laws. We knew that all along.
This isn't proving your point Scott. This is stating that if you are in any way operating in that space, that you accept that you can be forced to comply with this law.
Right, Google does operate there and does have to comply. We do not, and are not required to even be aware of the law.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
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@stuartjordan said in SW rant time:
these are two statements for GDPR Policy:
"Anyone who collects and processes personal data (defined by the GDPR as a Data Controller) will be required to comply with the new regulations to a certain degree. As well as organisations who run websites or apps, this also includes any organisations who use internal databases, CRMs or even just plain old email."
"The short answer is that if your company does any form of trade with customers within the EU, then GDPR rules will apply to you if you store, process or share EU citizens’ personal data."
Right, like Google does. Google does business in the EU and is therefore covered by EU laws. We knew that all along.
This isn't proving your point Scott. This is stating that if you are in any way operating in that space, that you accept that you can be forced to comply with this law.
It's not proving my point, of course not. It's just an example of my point in action. Supports, not proves.
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What you are doing here is picking and choosing laws and jurisdictions, from around the world, and applying what you want and not what you don't. It doesn't work that way, nothing does. You can't just pick one law you like from the EU because they can "see the site" and then ignore another law from North Korea, even though they can see the site, and feel that one is rational because you like it and one is not because you hate it.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
Mangolassi.it is operating in every country from which people sign up.
Nope.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The information that Google was forced to delete was generated in Spain, but searchable around the world.
Yup
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
With this relationship, if you have members of ML who want their content deleted, and they are in a country that supports this right, you must comply.
Nope, nor do we have to hand you over to North Korea.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
This isn't a matter of "we'll we don't work there". It's a matter that you offer your service to people from that country.
Yes it is.
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@dustinb3403 said in SW rant time:
The information google deleted, wasn't just from their Spain servers. It was from every server they operate around the world so the information couldn't be googled.
And obviously this isn't related to the issue. Why did you state it? Google is registered in the EU, so EU law applies to them. You state this as if it supports your point, but with ANY information about it, obviously it is unrelated.
