Witnessing Sexual Harassment
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@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen I sent her an e-mail and told her that I did not think what happened was okay and if she wanted me to report it I would or if she wanted to report it I would absolutely back her up as a witness. I really felt bad for her. I don't want to make a choice for her though either.
Making a choice to report a scumbag isn't you making a choice for her. It's to get rid of a bad presence in your place of business.
What if he does this to other women, or takes it further?
This guy is not a city employee. He's a salesman for this shitty copier company which we most likely will not see again (hes not a tech). I had to resist the urge to punch this dude in the face inside of a municipal court, which wouldn't have helped anyone.
Doesn't matter, blackball the business or just him by reporting it. Sexual harassment is still against the law.
I think it would be weird if I offered and then just did it without waiting for her to reply, but unless I'm given a very good reason not to (which I can't imagine what that would be) I will report it. I honestly would've felt so justified to knock this guys teeth out.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen I sent her an e-mail and told her that I did not think what happened was okay and if she wanted me to report it I would or if she wanted to report it I would absolutely back her up as a witness. I really felt bad for her. I don't want to make a choice for her though either.
Makes sense. People like that piss me off.
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Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen I sent her an e-mail and told her that I did not think what happened was okay and if she wanted me to report it I would or if she wanted to report it I would absolutely back her up as a witness. I really felt bad for her. I don't want to make a choice for her though either.
Making a choice to report a scumbag isn't you making a choice for her. It's to get rid of a bad presence in your place of business.
What if he does this to other women, or takes it further?
This guy is not a city employee. He's a salesman for this shitty copier company which we most likely will not see again (hes not a tech). I had to resist the urge to punch this dude in the face inside of a municipal court, which wouldn't have helped anyone.
Doesn't matter, blackball the business or just him by reporting it. Sexual harassment is still against the law.
I think it would be weird if I offered and then just did it without waiting for her to reply, but unless I'm given a very good reason not to (which I can't imagine what that would be) I will report it. I honestly would've felt so justified to knock this guys teeth out.
I'd report it regardless. It wasn't just her that it effected.
A crime is a crime... if you see somebody shoot someone else dead, would you ask the dead guy's relative before reporting it?
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@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
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@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
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@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
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@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
I would notify HR ASAP!! Do it on her behalf. If you witness something like this always report it. As a woman I would avoid reporting things like this because, it would cause problems for me to be the one to report etc.
I'd call the copier company and ask to speak to the Sales Manager (hopefully not the guy who came to visit you) or that company's HR department. Then tell the person what happened.
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@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
I think we've all felt uncomfortable with someone flirting. I'll admit that women deal with it much more frequently. It doesn't feel good and it makes you feel very uncomfortable.
However I think it's s bit extreme to say he was contributing to the act.
I personally would not report it because no one was physically touched or hurt. Although there might have been a handkiss which was over the line. That is where the damage ends. It's not really your decision to make. Because stuff like this can affect people's view on the woman and could even affect possible promotions. Should it affect this stuff? No, but guess what it does. People might see her as a tattle tale or something.
Minor infraction with no real benefit I'm reporting it. She won't see the guy ever again, likely.
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You are affecting somebody's ( the woman) perception by her peers and their career for something that will be forgotten about tomorrow.
Basically there's some risk to little or no reward. Guy you'll never see again gets fired (which probably won't happen).
The fact is she will be seen differently and her coworkers may be afraid to even smile. Thus kind of stuff happens at work. Ive heard of people not trusting someone involved in one of these cases.
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In my friends case it was never as overt as the creep Wired saw.
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@irj said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
You are affecting somebody's ( the woman) perception by her peers and their career for something that will be forgotten about tomorrow.
Basically there's some risk to little or no reward. Guy you'll never see again gets fired (which probably won't happen).
The fact is she will be seen differently and her coworkers may be afraid to even smile. Thus kind of stuff happens at work. Ive heard of people not trusting someone involved in one of these cases.
This is essentially my worry. I don't want to complicate her life. It really needs to be her choice. I happen to know some of the challenges she faces in life just due to working with her and having casual conversation. I don't think sacrificing her well being to hold this guy accountable is the right way to go either. It's a hard situation.
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@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
It's not as simple as that. There is a woman I know who works for the city. The company I work for has explained not to talk to her unless its absolutely necessary because she is in the process of suing her boss for sexual harassment (she claims he touched her chest). The immediate assumption of the people I work for is that she is lying and could do the same to us. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she's not. I don't know. What I do know is that my bosses shouldn't have an opinion of it because they were not there to witness what happened.
This happens to be something I saw and can do something about, but like I said--sacrificing her well being to hold this guy accountable isn't right either.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
It's not as simple as that. There is a woman I know who works for the city. The company I work for has explained not to talk to her unless its absolutely necessary because she is in the process of suing her boss for sexual harassment (she claims he touched her chest). The immediate assumption of the people I work for is that she is lying and could do the same to us. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she's not. I don't know. What I do know is that my bosses shouldn't have an opinion of it because they were not there to witness what happened.
This happens to be something I saw and can do something about, but like I said--sacrificing her well being to hold this guy accountable isn't right either.
And the reality is, it probably will...
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
It's not as simple as that. There is a woman I know who works for the city. The company I work for has explained not to talk to her unless its absolutely necessary because she is in the process of suing her boss for sexual harassment (she claims he touched her chest). The immediate assumption of the people I work for is that she is lying and could do the same to us. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she's not. I don't know. What I do know is that my bosses shouldn't have an opinion of it because they were not there to witness what happened.
This happens to be something I saw and can do something about, but like I said--sacrificing her well being to hold this guy accountable isn't right either.
Unfortunately this is the same kind of situation I have seen before. She will likely be treated differently the rest of the time she works there. It isn't right, but unfortunately it is reality.
That is why you cannot make the decision for your co-worker.
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@irj said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dustinb3403 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@dashrender said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@minion-queen said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Begin rant There need to be more men like you guys. As a woman I have to deal with this kind of crap way too often. It doesn't matter how cute, skinny or blond you are. Men can be scum... end rant
So can woman - hell at the place I work at now had a woman who used to hit on my x-business partner every time he came here.
There is a fine line between flirting and sexual harassment. One means both parts are participating. The other means one person is trying to flee as fast as possible. . .
He wasn't participating.
Did you report it? If not you were contributing to the act.
It's not as simple as that. There is a woman I know who works for the city. The company I work for has explained not to talk to her unless its absolutely necessary because she is in the process of suing her boss for sexual harassment (she claims he touched her chest). The immediate assumption of the people I work for is that she is lying and could do the same to us. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she's not. I don't know. What I do know is that my bosses shouldn't have an opinion of it because they were not there to witness what happened.
This happens to be something I saw and can do something about, but like I said--sacrificing her well being to hold this guy accountable isn't right either.
Unfortunately this is the same kind of situation I have seen before. She will likely be treated differently the rest of the time she works there. It isn't right, but unfortunately it is reality.
That is why you cannot make the decision for your co-worker.
Right. No justice in the world unfortunately.
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Baseball bat in parking garage. That's how we solve these things in Europe. Unfortunately in US, country with 5% of world population and 95% of world's lawyers population, you would get sued for everything you got.
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@marcinozga said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
Baseball bat in parking garage. That's how we solve these things in Europe. Unfortunately in US, country with 5% of world population and 95% of world's lawyers population, you would get sued for everything you got.
That's what I call doing the right thing the wrong way, something my younger self would do. Pain is temporary, but losing your career job isn't.
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That guy is a lowlife. How I would have handled it would have been to confronted him right then and there and put him in his little place. I wouldn't have done it in front of her but I would have dragged the guy into a private room and called him out on it to his face. People's lives are not perfect, they might not have the right people in life to teach them respect for the other gender. You could be this person. Also, maybe because I was a prison guard for 6 years and I don't mind confrontation and I am 6'5" tall, is why I would do this. I am also the type that is protective of the people I know (men or women, especially if I feel they are being taken advantage of). I can be an imposing figure. If I wasn't getting through to him I would have finally stated to him that I was a prison guard at a maximum security prison and the supervisor of the supermax unit and you don't want to get on my bad side. That if he continues I will talk to his employer and do everything in my power to see that he is no longer employed by them.
