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@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
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@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
Same way if your job is Sales Engineer but your given title is Account Manager, its bad to change it round.
IT generalist is such an oddity in common speak, sysadmin is a thing, IT guy is a thing, IT generalist? How many people use it?
This is hilarious! Scott says using the company provided title is a lie.
Can't have it both ways.
That's correct. You can't, unless the two overlap which almost never happens. Using a false title to other companies is flat out lying. You will likely get the originally company to lie on your behalf too, since they did it before and are committed to the lie. But you ALWAYS get to tell the truth and the law says that they ALWAYS have to confirm it.
Repeating a known lie doesn't stop it being a lie.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
Same way if your job is Sales Engineer but your given title is Account Manager, its bad to change it round.
IT generalist is such an oddity in common speak, sysadmin is a thing, IT guy is a thing, IT generalist? How many people use it?
This is hilarious! Scott says using the company provided title is a lie.
Can't have it both ways.
That's correct. You can't, unless the two overlap which almost never happens. Using a false title to other companies is flat out lying. You will likely get the originally company to lie on your behalf too, since they did it before and are committed to the lie. But you ALWAYS get to tell the truth and the law says that they ALWAYS have to confirm it.
Repeating a known lie doesn't stop it being a lie.
Having a job title of "Cupcake decorator" even if you're a plumber may in fact be your job title, based on what your employer reports to the state.
It's not a lie, its just not an accurate title.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
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@dustinb3403 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
Same way if your job is Sales Engineer but your given title is Account Manager, its bad to change it round.
IT generalist is such an oddity in common speak, sysadmin is a thing, IT guy is a thing, IT generalist? How many people use it?
This is hilarious! Scott says using the company provided title is a lie.
Can't have it both ways.
That's correct. You can't, unless the two overlap which almost never happens. Using a false title to other companies is flat out lying. You will likely get the originally company to lie on your behalf too, since they did it before and are committed to the lie. But you ALWAYS get to tell the truth and the law says that they ALWAYS have to confirm it.
Repeating a known lie doesn't stop it being a lie.
Having a job title of "Cupcake decorator" even if you're a plumber may in fact be your job title, based on what your employer reports to the state.
It's not a lie, its just not an accurate title.
An inaccurate title is a lie if you repeat it as something other than your title.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@dustinb3403 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
Same way if your job is Sales Engineer but your given title is Account Manager, its bad to change it round.
IT generalist is such an oddity in common speak, sysadmin is a thing, IT guy is a thing, IT generalist? How many people use it?
This is hilarious! Scott says using the company provided title is a lie.
Can't have it both ways.
That's correct. You can't, unless the two overlap which almost never happens. Using a false title to other companies is flat out lying. You will likely get the originally company to lie on your behalf too, since they did it before and are committed to the lie. But you ALWAYS get to tell the truth and the law says that they ALWAYS have to confirm it.
Repeating a known lie doesn't stop it being a lie.
Having a job title of "Cupcake decorator" even if you're a plumber may in fact be your job title, based on what your employer reports to the state.
It's not a lie, its just not an accurate title.
An inaccurate title is a lie if you repeat it as something other than your title.
Job History : Title Cupcake Decorator : Responsibilities - unclogging toilets and running new plumbing through businesses.Is not a lie, just not an accurate job title.
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If the plumbing company you worked for before ops to give everyone funny job titles and reports those titles to the state. There is no lie.
It's just a bad job title.
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@jackcpickup said in Feedback on Resume:
@coliver said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
So your job title was desktop support
And 4 different companies called you IT generalist? Sounds made up.We've had this argument on here a few times. What does it matter what the company calls you? 90% of the time those title mean literally nothing and often don't apply to the job you actually did. IT Generalist is the correct descriptor for what @wirestyle22 did at those positions.
Because that's what recruiters would be looking at? They don't know the differences or not actual differences, so you're shooting yourself in the foot a bit by not using it for their sake.
Problem is, any qualified hiring manager will rule you out for lying if you make stuff up that is obviously false. The idea that HR, recruiters or whatever hiring boogeyman is out there is going to filter your emails in a way that is counter to the final hiring manager doesn't hold up in the real world. We all agree that a straight "IT Generalist" doesn't sound good no matter how accurate it is. But false titles really are bad. If someone puts "IT Manager" on a resume, I check how many reports he had, every time. If someone puts "IT Director" I ask "how many managers reported to you, ever time." Also, titles like that that are obviously not in a firm large enough to have such roles have become flags for "entry level no experience". No one is often lower than the person with the inflated title, because that's what they get in lieu of pay.
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@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
IT generalist is such an oddity in common speak, sysadmin is a thing, IT guy is a thing, IT generalist? How many people use it?
System Admin is a thing, but not a thing he's ever done. Hence the problem. IT Guy is totally fine, casual, but fine. It implies nothing more than an informal IT Generalist. It implies you fell into it rather than being focused on it, I suppose. I've never seen it on a resume. It's what the secretary who got stuck fixing computers says they do.
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The old school term for an IT Generalist in the SMB space was LAN Admin. It specifically means an IT Generalist who works on the systems attached to a single LAN.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
I'm guessing if we need to come up with alternate ways to say the same thing then my title can be skipped
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Imagine a job where everyone was just titles a colour or a code. Would you put your job as "Turquoise" or "Maroon" or "Senior Seafoam"? I think not. We only put false titles when we intend to use them to further a lie. If they are ridiculous, we know clearly never to use them. When we know our old employer is stuck backing us up in a lie, suddenly people see a grey area where you might consider using a title even when it is known to be repeating someone else's lie.
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
I'm guessing if we need to come up with alternate ways to say the same thing then my title can be skipped
Basically you always skip a title, but you always include a job role.
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@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
yeah I was wondering if it was just better to have no title at all, unless you have a very very specific job. But IT Generalist is the opposite, not specific at all.
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@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
yeah I was wondering if it was just better to have no title at all, unless you have a very very specific job. But IT Generalist is the opposite, not specific at all.
I'm looking at it right now and it seems strange. Idk
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@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
yeah I was wondering if it was just better to have no title at all, unless you have a very very specific job. But IT Generalist is the opposite, not specific at all.
I'm looking at it right now and it seems strange. Idk
replace it as Scott said with
Role: abc
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@dashrender said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@wirestyle22 said in Feedback on Resume:
@scottalanmiller said in Feedback on Resume:
@breffni-potter said in Feedback on Resume:
I call up said company
"Did you have an IT Generalist by the name of Bob?"
"An IT what? we've never employed one of those...but we had an IT manager here called Bob"
You always go by the title on your employment contract. Anything else is tantamount to lying.
No, the opposite. If they make up a fake title THEY are lying. If you call and ask an honest question, by law in the US they have to tell the truth. IT Generalist is what he DID, being an IT Manager would legally bind the company to a potential lawsuit in the US as they'd own him manager pay and benefits or whatever and if he wasn't really the manager, they can say "no" even if they used that title potentially.
The truth rules here. And in the US it's a legal thing. They can only confirm or deny, they don't get to really provide an opinion. If they claim you didn't when you did, they get in big trouble. Really big trouble.
It's a lot more simple than that. If you were hired to be a party clown and you're actually a lawyer are you going to put party clown on your resume and let them think you did something you didn't do? No.
Right. You are always free to state your title, but you must do so. Like role Lawyer, title Party Clown. You are free to throw a title out there if you preface that that's all it is. Otherwise, if it isn't ALSO your role, that's flat out lying, whether or not someone at that other firm is willing to lie with you - that doesn't change the lie.
I'm wondering if they would understanding let alone appreciate the clarification honestly
If a title is pointless, skip it. It's just filler. If the title is in some way useful, include it.
yeah I was wondering if it was just better to have no title at all, unless you have a very very specific job. But IT Generalist is the opposite, not specific at all.
It's specific, but maybe not specific to what he did.
