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      Obsolesce
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      I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.

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        wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

        @wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:

        @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

        @wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:

        @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

        @wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:

        The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge

        base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.

        Directly conflicts with me wanting to turn myself into a proper linux systems administrator

        Not really. Good practices on Windows are good practices on Linux. They are not as different as people think.

        I just mean i have extremely limited time and I have been using it to read about Red Hat and the Linux Command Line. The prospect of also studying for Powershell is off-putting 😞

        I find this funny - you're now put out because something your company needs you to learn is trumping something you want to learn that currently offers your employer no benefit - all doing this on the company's dime and time?

        If I'm the only person that is required to learn it, even though there are other people in identical positions, yes.

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          Dashrender @Obsolesce
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          @Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:

          I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.

          That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?

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            BRRABill @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

            @Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:

            I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.

            That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?

            Why wouldn't you use RDP there? Or PowerShell?

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              matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

              @wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:

              The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge

              base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.

              what mostly hurts me on PS is that it seems more of a scripting language than a proper shell. you need to store a function even to open a VM console. on kvm you have virt-viewer... simple!

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                matteo nunziati @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.

                it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...

                unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
                I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.

                not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic 😛

                about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.

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                  Dashrender @matteo nunziati
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                  @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                  @Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.

                  it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...

                  unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
                  I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.

                  not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic 😛

                  about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.

                  Has anyone tried this for Win10 and Hyper-V 2016 since HVRemote doesn't support those, and the page says there are no current plans to update it to support it?

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                    scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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                    @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

                    @wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:

                    The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge

                    base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.

                    what mostly hurts me on PS is that it seems more of a scripting language than a proper shell. you need to store a function even to open a VM console. on kvm you have virt-viewer... simple!

                    I wouldn't think of it that way as much as just being cumbersome and inefficient. It's also slow as shit. Although it is much faster on Linux than on Windows. Like so much faster.

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                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

                      @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                      @Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.

                      it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...

                      unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
                      I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.

                      not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic 😛

                      about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.

                      Has anyone tried this for Win10 and Hyper-V 2016 since HVRemote doesn't support those, and the page says there are no current plans to update it to support it?

                      Pretty sure that that project died.

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                        matteo nunziati @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

                        @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                        @Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.

                        it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...

                        unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
                        I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.

                        not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic 😛

                        about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.

                        Has anyone tried this for Win10 and Hyper-V 2016 since HVRemote doesn't support those, and the page says there are no current plans to update it to support it?

                        NO wait no HVRemote here. and done the shit on win10 for hyper-v 2016.... I've just hyper-v 2016 AND win 10. and we have NO AD AT ALL HERE!

                        mmm... let me recheck my motes. maybe an how-to is in the makings 😛

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                          matteo nunziati
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                          ok company is closing. after dinner will put notes here!

                          it is just winrm, trustedhosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!

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                            Dashrender @matteo nunziati
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                            @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                            ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!

                            it is just winrm, trusthosts and same user/password/workgroup setup. then you can fly!

                            OK - I was just referencing the page you linked to.

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                              scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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                              @matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:

                              ok comany is closing. after dinner will put notes here!

                              For the weekend?

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                                scottalanmiller
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                                @romo is getting our headless Hyper-V cluster up in the lab today. Going to be testing stuff on it very soon.

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                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                  @romo is getting our headless Hyper-V cluster up in the lab today. Going to be testing stuff on it very soon.

                                  No iDRAC or other ?

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                                    JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                    @romo is getting our headless Hyper-V cluster up in the lab today. Going to be testing stuff on it very soon.

                                    No iDRAC or other ?

                                    That is not what headless means.

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                                      JaredBusch @Mike Davis
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                                      @Mike-Davis said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                      In part of my strategy to prevent CryptoLocker or a bad actor from taking out my backups if a computer/server gets infected, I'm not domain joining my hosts now. I realized that even with a share on the network that used a service account, if a hacker elevates privileges and gets domain admin, they can reset the password on the backup service account and then wipe out my backups. If the backup target is not domain joined, they can't do that. Same idea with the host.

                                      I'm curious as to what others are thinking. We love disk to disk backups, but it's really hard to air gap them with out physical interaction.

                                      This is just stupid.

                                      There is not any type of realistic risk for this kind of scenario that does not involve a ton of prior failures.

                                      Within a single organization, there is zero reason to not have the hypervisors domain joined.

                                      There will be no possible way to lose anything because there should be no possible way that a privileged account like domain admin can be compromised without ignoring other best practices.

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                                        JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                        I'm in the camp of not joining your hypervisors to the domain.

                                        If you get locked (because of domain controls) out of your hypervisors then you're SOL, along with the domain functions.

                                        This is also just stupid.

                                        Being domain joined in no way affects the root account ( or original administrator account on hyper-v ) from working in any way.

                                        I just cannot grasp how people keep repeating this kind of garbage.

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                                          JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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                                          @DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                          Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools

                                          Only if self inflicted. There is zero wrong with the Hyper-V Manager mmc snap in for normal hyper-v management in a small organization.

                                          Yes, 5 nine was nice. But still not hard to manange.

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                                            JaredBusch @BRRABill
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                                            @BRRABill said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                            @Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                            @Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:

                                            I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.

                                            That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?

                                            Why wouldn't you use RDP there? Or PowerShell?

                                            Are you not paying any attention to what you are reading?? Remote access is not console access.

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