Managing Hyper-V
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Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools
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@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools
It seems very frustrating to me but a lot of people use it and are happy with it so I chalked it up to my own inexperience, which it still may be
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Mike-Davis said in Managing Hyper-V:
What's your method for installing and configuring the base OS to get to that point?
It's a new physical host, so I'm physically in front of the server or using ilo/DRAC. Attach the hyper-v .iso, install, and then map a drive to a share on my laptop to get screen connect and/or open manage, etc.
How does that help, though? We want console access to the VMs, not to the Hyper-V host. What does a connection to the Hyper-V host buy us?
VM creation?
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I've used 2012 with hyperv enabled, and if we ever wanted to manage or create a vm Wed rep to the server.
Which is a bit insane. But it's how it worked.
Can you RDP to a straight hyperv install for the same use?
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@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
I've used 2012 with hyperv enabled, and if we ever wanted to manage or create a vm Wed rep to the server.
Which is a bit insane. But it's how it worked.
Can you RDP to a straight hyperv install for the same use?
Yes you can
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
How does that help, though? We want console access to the VMs, not to the Hyper-V host. What does a connection to the Hyper-V host buy us?
I was thinking about the typical VM tasks like allocating more space or moving vm files around. I forgot we were trying to get console access.
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@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools
It's pretty limited currently. Losing 5Nine is a blow to the entire ecosystem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools
It's pretty limited currently. Losing 5Nine is a blow to the entire ecosystem.
It really does seem that way
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@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
Sounding more and more like hyperv is a disaster without these kinds of tools
It seems very frustrating to me but a lot of people use it and are happy with it so I chalked it up to my own inexperience, which it still may be
Most people use it in ways we'd never consider to be production viable for any other platform, though.
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@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Mike-Davis said in Managing Hyper-V:
What's your method for installing and configuring the base OS to get to that point?
It's a new physical host, so I'm physically in front of the server or using ilo/DRAC. Attach the hyper-v .iso, install, and then map a drive to a share on my laptop to get screen connect and/or open manage, etc.
How does that help, though? We want console access to the VMs, not to the Hyper-V host. What does a connection to the Hyper-V host buy us?
VM creation?
In what way? What does that do that PS doesn't already do?
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@Mike-Davis said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
How does that help, though? We want console access to the VMs, not to the Hyper-V host. What does a connection to the Hyper-V host buy us?
I was thinking about the typical VM tasks like allocating more space or moving vm files around. I forgot we were trying to get console access.
Ah, that we can do with PS already even easier (once remoting is enabled.)
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@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge
base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.
Directly conflicts with me wanting to turn myself into a proper linux systems administrator
Not really. Good practices on Windows are good practices on Linux. They are not as different as people think.
I just mean i have extremely limited time and I have been using it to read about Red Hat and the Linux Command Line. The prospect of also studying for Powershell is off-putting
I find this funny - you're now put out because something your company needs you to learn is trumping something you want to learn that currently offers your employer no benefit - all doing this on the company's dime and time?
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I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
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@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge
base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.
Directly conflicts with me wanting to turn myself into a proper linux systems administrator
Not really. Good practices on Windows are good practices on Linux. They are not as different as people think.
I just mean i have extremely limited time and I have been using it to read about Red Hat and the Linux Command Line. The prospect of also studying for Powershell is off-putting
I find this funny - you're now put out because something your company needs you to learn is trumping something you want to learn that currently offers your employer no benefit - all doing this on the company's dime and time?
If I'm the only person that is required to learn it, even though there are other people in identical positions, yes.
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@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
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@Dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
I don't understand what the issue is here. Install and configure a Hyper-V Host... then connect to it via Hyper-V Manager, FCM, or PowerShell. None of the Windows GUI tools do anything that you cannot do with PowerShell. In fact it's the other way around. You can do way more to Hyper-V with PowerShell than from any tool. Just learn the commands and move on. They are so easy.
That allows you to manage the hypervisor.. what about getting console access to the VMs?
Why wouldn't you use RDP there? Or PowerShell?
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge
base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.
what mostly hurts me on PS is that it seems more of a scripting language than a proper shell. you need to store a function even to open a VM console. on kvm you have virt-viewer... simple!
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@Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.
it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...
unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic
about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Dashrender anyway. If you have to pay, a control system con be obtained buying a windows pro licence every time you deploy a newer hyper-v version, then virtualize it in your WS.
it was windows 8 with hyper-v 2012, then now it is win 10 with hyper-v 2016. what? 300$ every 4 years? feaseable probably...
unfortunately the hyper-v snap-in in windows mmc.exe is a bit poor on some edges.
I've deployed 2 hyper-v servers and setup replica on them just with my snap-in. More complex layout probably will lead to a big issue, as the snap-in has really poor management functions. anyway as @Tim_G said somewhere, you can add the free veeam one to get better overview of resource usage.not a single pane of glass, but hell LCDs aren't even glass: all plastic
about domain: never tryed hyper-v 2012 but this is what I've done.
Has anyone tried this for Win10 and Hyper-V 2016 since HVRemote doesn't support those, and the page says there are no current plans to update it to support it?
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@wirestyle22 said in Managing Hyper-V:
The issue with that is my lack of powershell knowledge
base knowledge needed to work on Windows. Just how it is.
what mostly hurts me on PS is that it seems more of a scripting language than a proper shell. you need to store a function even to open a VM console. on kvm you have virt-viewer... simple!
I wouldn't think of it that way as much as just being cumbersome and inefficient. It's also slow as shit. Although it is much faster on Linux than on Windows. Like so much faster.
