Managing Hyper-V
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
Also dropping Nano from being a supported path sucks for people who were hoping for it to be a true small secure embedded install (Core requires a 32GB DISK!)
I think he means nano is available only for those with a datacenter licence.
Well that makes perfect sense, because Hyper-V Server is free, and does just Hyper-V. Nano Server should not be free, because it can do a LOT of things, in addition to Hyper-V. The list is long, and continues to grow.
Also, there's two versions of Nano Server: Datacenter and Standard
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed. -
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
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@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
Also dropping Nano from being a supported path sucks for people who were hoping for it to be a true small secure embedded install (Core requires a 32GB DISK!)
I think he means nano is available only for those with a datacenter licence.
Well that makes perfect sense, because Hyper-V Server is free, and does just Hyper-V. Nano Server should not be free, because it can do a LOT of things, in addition to Hyper-V. The list is long, and continues to grow.
Also, there's two versions of Nano Server: Datacenter and Standard
so nano is available even to standard! nice! I was misinformed.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
It's not considered a GUI, it's nothing but a way to handle the CMD shell (DOS shell disappeared decades ago and was never on Windows.) It does output to VGA, but there is no real GUI aspect. It's just not TTY.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
It's not considered a GUI, it's nothing but a way to handle the CMD shell (DOS shell disappeared decades ago and was never on Windows.) It does output to VGA, but there is no real GUI aspect. It's just not TTY.
still there is a window manager to handle multiple windows at a time. also you can run GUI tools (like firefox and so...).
it is not like a pure cmd line env a-la-linux
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
It's not considered a GUI, it's nothing but a way to handle the CMD shell (DOS shell disappeared decades ago and was never on Windows.) It does output to VGA, but there is no real GUI aspect. It's just not TTY.
This is a weird concept to comprehend, but I do agree with it.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
It's not considered a GUI, it's nothing but a way to handle the CMD shell (DOS shell disappeared decades ago and was never on Windows.) It does output to VGA, but there is no real GUI aspect. It's just not TTY.
still there is a window manager to handle multiple windows at a time. also you can run GUI tools (like firefox and so...).
it is not like a pure cmd line env a-la-linux
I've not tried that. You can fire up Firefox on it, really?
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
@Tim_G said in Managing Hyper-V:
@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
nyway MY core is just around 8GB, small enough. Also microsoft has some issues with "no-gui". you go from core, which is something like linux cmd line + xserver + fluxbox, to something with no local management at all! ASAP nano can be managed only by remote powershell. No local login.
They allowed the whole switching from GUI to Core and vice versa in Server 2012 R2. They removed that ability in 2016 for good reason, imo.
But even in 2016 core, you can install apps easily... even in Hyper-V Server if it's licensed.no my point is: core is not guiless. it still run in a gui env. simply you do not have gui tools. but definitively it has a window manager, or you will land in a huge dos shell. period.
It's not considered a GUI, it's nothing but a way to handle the CMD shell (DOS shell disappeared decades ago and was never on Windows.) It does output to VGA, but there is no real GUI aspect. It's just not TTY.
still there is a window manager to handle multiple windows at a time. also you can run GUI tools (like firefox and so...).
it is not like a pure cmd line env a-la-linux
I've not tried that. You can fire up Firefox on it, really?
DONE!
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHH
I've done something @scottalanmiller didn't!!!!!
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@scottalanmiller seriously, yes this is just a window manager as anything else. think of hyper-v server 2016 as a basic linux install + xorg + xinit launching an xterm.
it simply spawns 2 cmds one with proper cmd line, another with the sconfig.bat script runing in it. but it is the windows' window manager, without explorer and so.
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So sad that they felt that they had to do it that way.
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It has been that was since Hyper-V Server 2012 was released.
How else do you think the normal install GUI screens pop up when you install stuff like the ScreenConnect MSI or Dell OMSA?
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@JaredBusch said in Managing Hyper-V:
It has been that was since Hyper-V Server 2012 was released.
How else do you think the normal install GUI screens pop up when you install stuff like the ScreenConnect MSI or Dell OMSA?
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@DustinB3403 said in Managing Hyper-V:
I'm in the camp of not joining your hypervisors to the domain.
If you get locked (because of domain controls) out of your hypervisors then you're SOL, along with the domain functions.
We all had 5Nine for free till a few days ago.
has anyone tried this product? https://www.probus-it.com/prohvm-hyper-v-manager/
It has free version and pro is not that expensive (€59.00).
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@triple9 Looks interesting.
I did a quick test of it, and it let me connect from a non-domain joined Win10 client to a Domain-Joined Hyper-V 2012 R2 server with just entering my credentials and what-not.
It DOES provide VM Console access, and it doesn't seem terribly slow either, so after my 5 minutes with it, I rate it as not bad based on the free version. Might be worth buying licenses for folks that manage several Hyper-V servers.
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@triple9 It's not as pretty as 5Nine but seems to perform the same functions as the free version of 5Nine provided. A little slower but it works.
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don't understand what gives more then mmc snap-in so I'm going to test it but at first install run both smart screen and antivirus screwed. just retrying now...
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ok, if it is able to mix hyper-v version it can make a bit of sense but it is slooooooooooow.
have to move to the other warehouse, if I've time I'll try to run this in linux under wine.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok, if it is able to mix hyper-v version it can make a bit of sense but it is slooooooooooow.
have to move to the other warehouse, if I've time I'll try to run this in linux under wine.
ok wine failed both as common user and as root. I give up!
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@matteo-nunziati said in Managing Hyper-V:
ok, if it is able to mix hyper-v version it can make a bit of sense but it is slooooooooooow.
have to move to the other warehouse, if I've time I'll try to run this in linux under wine.
It didn't seem to run slowly to me at all.
