Domain Controller Issues
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 why is any of this your problem what is your job but is not your job stop doing things that are in stop caring about things that are not your job
From the sounds of it, He basically works for a S*B, but a HUGE one
He's a jack of all trades, they don't have dedicated Server team, don't have a dedicated desktop team. Don't have a dedicated Helpdesk.He gets to wear all of those hats.
Yeah kind of. The servers aren't my responsibility until something happens that everyone else doesn't know. I guess they trust me although I don't know why
No, not kind of. If there is a team that that is their job it is not your job. Don't let them give you that job without giving you pay for that job you're letting them abuse you. This is 100% your problem and 100% your fault for letting them do it. It is not your problem. If the problem in packs your job pinpoint the problem send it to the person who need to take care of it and fucking ignore it it is not your goddamn problem.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 why is any of this your problem what is your job but is not your job stop doing things that are in stop caring about things that are not your job
From the sounds of it, He basically works for a S*B, but a HUGE one
He's a jack of all trades, they don't have dedicated Server team, don't have a dedicated desktop team. Don't have a dedicated Helpdesk.He gets to wear all of those hats.
Yeah kind of. The servers aren't my responsibility until something happens that everyone else doesn't know. I guess they trust me although I don't know why
Not kind of. Are they, or are they not? Think about it for a minute, chances are you know the answer here. Are you the admin who "owns" the servers, or do you work on them with someone else's permission?
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I hear you guys, but ultimately I'm not going to be doing this much longer most likely. I'm going to study extremely hard for 6 months and see where I'm at. If I'm not happy then I'm going to start doing something else. I've spoken to some of you privately for...days in some cases. I'm either cut out for this or I'm not. I'm most likely not but we will see.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I hear you guys, but ultimately I'm not going to be doing this much longer most likely. I'm going to study extremely hard for 6 months and see where I'm at. If I'm not happy then I'm going to start doing something else.
Actually no you're not listening because if you were you would not be hating your job and you would actually be getting something done the problem is you not listening to what we're telling you that you can't own everything in less it is actually your job and you're being paid for that and if you were actually being paid for that you will be making a shit ton more money and not have the stress that you have
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I hear you guys, but ultimately I'm not going to be doing this much longer most likely.
Then your time in which to learn this lesson is limited. You've made it MORE important to learn this now, rather than less. No amount of changing jobs or careers will solve this problem, it's nothing to do with IT or the job or even the career, it's all about how you perceive yourself as an employee and the more you want to change, advance or like what you do more, the more important it is to avoid excuses, self reflect and figure out how to fix this problem now.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I'm going to study extremely hard for 6 months and see where I'm at. If I'm not happy then I'm going to start doing something else. I've spoken to some of you privately for...days in some cases. I'm either cut out for this or I'm not. I'm most likely not but we will see.
This is all good, it really is, but it ignores the fundamental problems. This will not change the issues, no matter what role you get in IT, it will be the same. No matter what role you get outside of IT, it will be the same.
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@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I hear you guys, but ultimately I'm not going to be doing this much longer most likely. I'm going to study extremely hard for 6 months and see where I'm at. If I'm not happy then I'm going to start doing something else.
Actually no you're not listening because if you were you would not be hating your job and you would actually be getting something done the problem is you not listening to what we're telling you that you can't own everything in less it is actually your job and you're being paid for that and if you were actually being paid for that you will be making a shit ton more money and not have the stress that you have
I'm mostly unhappy because of my own lack of knowledge. I think I should be further along than I am. Some of my friends on here disagree but It's hard to me to accept that. I find it difficult to say no when someone needs help. I am also not in the same position you and Scott are where I can leave a job very easily and find work. That is what your dedication and intelligence has bought you. I'm not as smart are you guys and I'm also younger.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I hear you guys, but ultimately I'm not going to be doing this much longer most likely. I'm going to study extremely hard for 6 months and see where I'm at. If I'm not happy then I'm going to start doing something else.
Actually no you're not listening because if you were you would not be hating your job and you would actually be getting something done the problem is you not listening to what we're telling you that you can't own everything in less it is actually your job and you're being paid for that and if you were actually being paid for that you will be making a shit ton more money and not have the stress that you have
I'm mostly unhappy because of my own lack of knowledge. I think I should be further along than I am.
But this is completely coloured by the fact that you can't identify what your job is, you try to do jobs that are not yours and you are not able to accept the role of employee but want to be a proxy owner. Your not in a position, until these things are fixed, to even discuss your educational or skill status. You don't have a bar to measure against until these other problems are fixed.
You are getting distracted by ancillary issues and using them to excuse yourself from digging into the real problems at the core.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I am also not in the same position you and Scott are where I can leave a job very easily and find work.
We totally understand that. What confuses us is that because we have worked ourselves into that position, for some reason, you feel that we can't have insight into what you need when, logically, we are exactly who you should be listening to.
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@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
I am also not in the same position you and Scott are where I can leave a job very easily and find work.
We totally understand that. What confuses us is that because we have worked ourselves into that position, for some reason, you feel that we can't have insight into what you need when, logically, we are exactly who you should be listening to.
In my experience if you refuse to do things you are fired. I can't afford to be fired. I actively seek employment constantly and I try to educate myself as much as possible. What else can I do? You guys can do things like that because you're in the position of power. A guy like me who knows very little isn't in the position of power in the same way. Sure, I can leave. Now what?
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@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
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@Dashrender 22 buildings although my last job I covered 33 by myself.
Let me even add fuel to the fire. We were called into a meeting recently that was in regards to reshaping the way we address our ticketing. So, I was hired to work for the city but my boss has many contracts at other businesses/colleges/etc. Now we are going to be taking care of all of the tickets that come in for everything. Each new contract that comes in, which could double or even triple my workload is going to get me a 2% raise, which is $1000 (I make 50k, I don't care if you know that). So it's even worse than you guys think. I'm actively looking. I don't know what else to say here. I need to eat.
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender Let me even add fuel to the fire. We were called into a meeting recently that was in regards to reshaping the way we address our ticketing. So, I was hired to work for the city but my boss has many contracts at other businesses/colleges/etc. Now we are going to be taking care of all of the tickets that come in for everything. Each new contract that comes in, which could double or even triple my workload is going to get me a 2% raise, which is $1000 (I make 50k, I don't care if you know that). So it's even worse than you guys think. I'm actively looking. I don't know what else to say here. I need to eat.
I don't see the rub here.
To reiterate what you told me in chat, you are paid to take care of tickets. that means that the source of the ticket does not matter. Work load does not matter. If you, today, have time to be on ML, etc, not spending 100% of your time working on business related things, then they have the right to dump anything more on you that they want.
You're employed by the consulting company - unless your contract with them expressly says you will only do city work, then can have you work on anything.
now that said, not sure how the city feels about that? if the city is paying him for you to be basically their (the city's) bitch for 9 hours a day, then the city might complain when you are working on something for a different customer of the consulting company, but that is not your concern either.. that's the consulting companies issue.
As you've told me before, you are not allowed to talk to management, etc there at the city, you have to run everything through your boss...
so it sounds like nothing has changed.
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
Please confirm that you are required by your job to assist anyone else on your team (that works for the consulting company) with their tickets that they can't fix. Is that right?
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender Let me even add fuel to the fire. We were called into a meeting recently that was in regards to reshaping the way we address our ticketing. So, I was hired to work for the city but my boss has many contracts at other businesses/colleges/etc. Now we are going to be taking care of all of the tickets that come in for everything. Each new contract that comes in, which could double or even triple my workload is going to get me a 2% raise, which is $1000 (I make 50k, I don't care if you know that). So it's even worse than you guys think. I'm actively looking. I don't know what else to say here. I need to eat.
I don't see the rub here.
To reiterate what you told me in chat, you are paid to take care of tickets. that means that the source of the ticket does not matter. Work load does not matter. If you, today, have time to be on ML, etc, not spending 100% of your time working on business related things, then they have the right to dump anything more on you that they want.
You're employed by the consulting company - unless your contract with them expressly says you will only do city work, then can have you work on anything.
now that said, not sure how the city feels about that? if the city is paying him for you to be basically their (the city's) bitch for 9 hours a day, then the city might complain when you are working on something for a different customer of the consulting company, but that is not your concern either.. that's the consulting companies issue.
As you've told me before, you are not allowed to talk to management, etc there at the city, you have to run everything through your boss...
so it sounds like nothing has changed.
Hypothetically if my hours don't change, yeah it doesn't matter. The moment they try though I'm going to say no and I guarantee that is coming.
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
Please confirm that you are required by your job to assist anyone else on your team (that works for the consulting company) with their tickets that they can't fix. Is that right?
I don't have my job description in front of me
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@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
It's my reality and I don't see how I can possibly dictate it as I am currently. I'm not worth that much
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@wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Issues:
@Dashrender said in Domain Controller Issues:
@wirestyle22 just told me that he's part of a 4 person team (including his boss) that service all IT for the city.
That's 700 endpoint, not including WAPs, switches, routers, firewalls, etc.
So, as I said before, while he might not be the point person on the servers, they are definitely part of his job when his teammates can't figure something out.
"Definitely" is 100% "as assigned". Is it likely? Sure. But nothing, literally nothing, in the description given suggests that.
It's my reality and I don't see how I can possibly dictate it as I am currently. I'm not worth that much
It's not you that dictates it at all. That's the problem. We keep hearing it dictated only by you. Never do you say (okay once) that "I'm doing what I am told to do", instead you say "I had to do it" or "it needed to be done" or whatever. The concepts here are being glossed over. It's hard to us to know exactly what is going on because it is filtered through you. But you should know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, who is in charge of everything and who decides what you are or are not mandated to work on and when.
It seems way too fluid and the terms change too much. So we are convinced that you are not working on servers because you are in charge of them, nor because you are directed to, but because you feel that they are your babies or similar.
