Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
well, you posted something on their forum to say that it doesn't install on an Ubuntu platform that they do not support...
https://forum.kopano.io/topic/47/kopano-core-install-fails-on-centos-7-due-to-missing-package
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
well, you posted something on their forum to say that it doesn't install on an Ubuntu platform that they do not support...
But the issue is... do they support anything we consider production ready? You make it sound like an unreasonable thing to want.
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Agreed, your postings now referring to Centos 7 are absolutely fine.
You should get some feedback from the community at some stage.
Note that (I am not the expert here so apologies if I get this wrong) from what I understand Zimbra gives you the community edition which is a cut down version of the production ones (i.e. you have to pay for it otherwise), whilst Kopano gives you everything in the community edition with no restrictions but you either get the sourcecode or the mainline builds.
For me I cannot use Zimbra as I cannot pay for the features I need (and perhaps they wouldn't be there anyway), so I need Kopano. But clearly I am taking the mainline branch and although I never have had issues before, there may be for what I know.
Therefore if you did take the official Kopano packages and install them, i.e. the branched releases, I am pretty sure they would be spot on.
I tend to run two parallel environments, one Kopano production and one with the latest community edition which I take regularly. When I am satisfied it is all fine, I move it to production.
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as I said what you see in the community download section is the mainline branch. Not the production releases. If you want those, you pay for them.
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
Agreed, your postings now referring to Centos 7 are absolutely fine.
You should get some feedback from the community at some stage.
They seem active, that is good.
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As I said I never had any issues with support from them from the forums or directly. Even if I am just a community user (i.e. I do not pay) they always helped me out even directly from the developers.
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All of their community buttons are backwards from ours, it's killing me, lol.
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Unfortunately I'm getting only the "run another distro" run around that so often happens on these things. We try Ubuntu "well if you want support you should have run CentOS". So we try CentOS "well it works on Ubuntu". No one is actually providing assistance yet, just lots of people confused about Linux or just posting "well you should be using this" which was already tested and didn't work. Hopefully the developers are active, too.
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put it this way: I do run it and it works. And if they reply it means that they do have customers as they are paying the employees to reply to you.
And yes, there are developers as they reply too (perhaps not to you in this instance but they are active).
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
put it this way: I do run it and it works. And if they reply it means that they do have customers as they are paying the employees to reply to you.
Everyone here isn't paid. Lots of developers that aren't paid respond to communities. It probably means that they have paid people responding, but it doesn't guarantee that.
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Most of the developers that respond on the NodeBB forums themselves are volunteers, only three are paid, for example. All three of those respond quickly, for sure, but lots of others do, too.
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sure, paid or unpaid the product works for me. In fact every posting you do I get a notification by email via mobile phone activesync z-push that you have done so
So all good for me.
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This seems to sum up what I see in the Kopano community thus far....
"If you want a working version, pay up."
No one is being helpful, just all pushing for payment.
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Would you like a free unpaid login on my u paid community edition installed and working?
We can have an unpaid video conference?
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
Would you like a free unpaid login on my u paid community edition installed and working?
We can have an unpaid video conference?
I'm not doubting that it can be made to work. What I want is a stable, repeatable, official installation method for CentOS 7 for it. Or I'd accept Ubuntu 16.10 or FreeBSD. I want something that I can stick in Salt or Ansible and be confident that will work, will work in the future and is intended to work from the community. Maybe that is asking a lot, but nothing I don't expect from every product that we work with. Zimbra does this and has for almost fifteen years, for example. Rocket.Chat does this. NodeBB does this. Just looking for Kopano to be at that minimum bar before moving forward with product evaluation.
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Patrick made it clear in the community... pay up or get lost. I'm out. The community alone is a reason to avoid it.
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Except of course Zimbra lacks the features that Kopano has. And that I need.
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The community and the product work great for me. I have no idea who Patrick is perhaps a paying user.
I am not a paying user and it works for me
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@mcostan said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:
Except of course Zimbra lacks the features that Kopano has. And that I need.
And vice versa for us
Kopano has LDAP support, that I know. And Zimbra does not. We don't need that (right now at least) so not an issue. But we do need something we can really trust and we know that Zimbra delivers there, no question. Rock solid with a track record for it.What other features is Kopano delivering that Zimbra lacks? We might have covered this before. Kopano looks to have the slicker interface now. I don't care if it is all CLI management, I'm happy to manage either system from Salt if it comes to it. That's almost a positive, no GUI to slow us down.
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Notice, the one thread where we did it first, where we followed the docs to the T, used the recommended OS... not one comment, not even a "I'll look into this." But the other threads where we looked for other options when CentOS didn't work were pretty quick to point out that we should be using CentOS and ignoring the fact that we were only looking at the others because it didn't work.
https://forum.kopano.io/topic/47/kopano-core-install-fails-on-centos-7-due-to-missing-package
It's nice that people are responding. But one guy made it clear that if we weren't paying we weren't welcome in the community. Another just gave us an obvious run around to try to make it look like it was our fault. And another wanted to know what cloud hosting was and why we'd want enterprise OSes. Other than the manual getting updated (we found several manual mistakes as newbies) the community has been way less than helpful.
