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    Water Closet
    wtf i cant even that is not how that works
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    • wirestyle22W
      wirestyle22
      last edited by

      Good to see the legend of Curtis is still going strong on ML. As a Christmas present I'm only asking that you never let it die. Please ML. Please.

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      • RojoLocoR
        RojoLoco @wirestyle22
        last edited by

        @wirestyle22 said in I can't even:

        Good to see the legend of Curtis is still going strong on ML. As a Christmas present I'm only asking that you never let it die. Please ML. Please.

        We shall not forget. Isn't there a whole Curtis thread here? @scottalanmiller @Minion-Queen

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        • wirestyle22W
          wirestyle22 @RojoLoco
          last edited by wirestyle22

          @RojoLoco said in I can't even:

          @wirestyle22 said in I can't even:

          Good to see the legend of Curtis is still going strong on ML. As a Christmas present I'm only asking that you never let it die. Please ML. Please.

          We shall not forget. Isn't there a whole Curtis thread here? @scottalanmiller @Minion-Queen

          IMO every thread is a Curtis thread just waiting to happen.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @wirestyle22
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            @wirestyle22 @RojoLoco
            https://mangolassi.it/topic/1443/better-than-aliens

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            • MattSpellerM
              MattSpeller
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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @RojoLoco
                last edited by

                @RojoLoco said in I can't even:

                @wirestyle22 said in I can't even:

                Good to see the legend of Curtis is still going strong on ML. As a Christmas present I'm only asking that you never let it die. Please ML. Please.

                We shall not forget. Isn't there a whole Curtis thread here? @scottalanmiller @Minion-Queen

                There are three at least, I think.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  Bought servers and a lot of SAS drives and is now asking how he should configure the array!

                  WTF people.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                    Bought servers and a lot of SAS drives and is now asking how he should configure the array!

                    WTF people.

                    This has to be the most common WTF in IT. I swear.

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                    • wirestyle22W
                      wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in I can't even:

                      @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                      Bought servers and a lot of SAS drives and is now asking how he should configure the array!

                      WTF people.

                      This has to be the most common WTF in IT. I swear.

                      Before I knew Scott my favorite thing to do was search topics with RAID in them and sit back until Scott blew a gasket. Actually, it's still my favorite thing

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @wirestyle22
                        last edited by

                        @wirestyle22 said in I can't even:

                        @scottalanmiller said in I can't even:

                        @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                        Bought servers and a lot of SAS drives and is now asking how he should configure the array!

                        WTF people.

                        This has to be the most common WTF in IT. I swear.

                        Before I knew Scott my favorite thing to do was search topics with RAID in them and sit back until Scott blew a gasket. Actually, it's still my favorite thing

                        So now you search topics that I'm posting on and blowing a gasket?

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          I can't even begin to understand why someone purposefully wants to downgrade their hypervisor (esxi) to continue to operate older VM's.

                          Maybe it's the hour, or the hang over, but wtf...

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...

                            Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).

                            And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              On a budget virtualization, and wants help. Okay not a problem, what is your budget?!

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                                Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...

                                Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).

                                And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.

                                60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.

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                                • wirestyle22W
                                  wirestyle22 @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said in I can't even:

                                  @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                                  Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...

                                  Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).

                                  And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.

                                  60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.

                                  It's just a terminal server. Can't be that bad.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    Brining this in house could easily cost a lot more than this.

                                    DC costs, HVAC costs, UPS costs, licensing/VDI/storage, etc, etc, etc.

                                    We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.

                                    This is like moving your email hosted. It MIGHT cost less to go hosted, but almost any situation that cost less will also likely be significantly less reliable.

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @Dashrender
                                      last edited by wirestyle22

                                      @Dashrender said in I can't even:

                                      We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.

                                      That is true. With 60+ users he must have a higher level networking equipment (firewall most likely) somewhere at least, with some switches as well--bare minimum.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                                        Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...

                                        No need for a domain. I didn't look at the topic, but the idea that domains are needed is antiquated and was always a marketing thing. Domains are great, but there is no scale at which they are just needed.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          @DustinB3403 said in I can't even:

                                          On a budget virtualization, and wants help. Okay not a problem, what is your budget?!

                                          We should never know the budget number. That's the cart driving the horse. You want to know the right thing for the business then tell the business what it costs.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said in I can't even:

                                            Brining this in house could easily cost a lot more than this.

                                            DC costs, HVAC costs, UPS costs, licensing/VDI/storage, etc, etc, etc.

                                            We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.

                                            This is like moving your email hosted. It MIGHT cost less to go hosted, but almost any situation that cost less will also likely be significantly less reliable.

                                            Right, to compete with a datacenter isn't cheap. Maybe they don't care about reliability or backups, that's what I hear routinely from people moving things on premises - that their goal is to cut costs and not have the SSDs, the RAID 10, the backups, the staff, the HVAC, the redundant power, the external access that they had before.

                                            To do this "well" likely requires a lot that we would guess that they don't have. The server will cost a bit, maybe $10K. And while that's only four months of service, it's a cost you recur every five years or so. So that is four to five months of hosting value out of sixty right away. That's nearly 10%. Then there is the licensing costs, which could easily be many times that. $10K for sixty users on RDS is easy. That's about 10% again in costs. Then there is power consumption, easily 10-20% of the costs. Then there is the specific application that they are hosting which could be anything from free to more than the cost of the hosting, the sky is the limit. Then there is the HVAC cost. What about a failover server, that's 10% again. Backup server? 5-10% there (if you include the storage.) These "little costs" add up very, very quickly.

                                            And if we manage to save any money, now we need an IT department to design, implement and maintain this system that we didn't need before. Likely that's going to cost more than all the other factors combined.

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