Offline files nightmare
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@JaredBusch said in Offline files nightmare:
@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
Forked doesn't mean new. NextCloud is very mature. It's like a decade old, the most mature of its class of software, open source (which adds to maturity) and is on the tenth production major release. If it's not mature, nothing is.
Which is why I didn't understand JB's saying he couldn't use it in production - it was to new.
Because prior to version 10, with no repo installation process, it was an all manual upgrade mess.
The core NextCloud code is 6 years old (not nearly 10 @scottalanmiller) and is quite stable. The problem is they immediately began to change things after forking. These changes are certainly intended to be good. But this was a huge change of direction.
All of these feature being dropped in had to be reengineered from the (potentially) not open source enterprise code that they came from.
Additionally, the company behind the product is brand new. Yes the people are mostly the same but the company is new.
These are all things that, when combined, mean that I do not feel confident using this application in production.
How are these changes different from ones that ownCloud did/would have made? I consider this even less of a concern since most of the dev team came over directly from the oC project, so they would already be intimately familiar with the product and it's code.
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@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@JaredBusch said in Offline files nightmare:
@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
Forked doesn't mean new. NextCloud is very mature. It's like a decade old, the most mature of its class of software, open source (which adds to maturity) and is on the tenth production major release. If it's not mature, nothing is.
Which is why I didn't understand JB's saying he couldn't use it in production - it was to new.
Because prior to version 10, with no repo installation process, it was an all manual upgrade mess.
The core NextCloud code is 6 years old (not nearly 10 @scottalanmiller) and is quite stable. The problem is they immediately began to change things after forking. These changes are certainly intended to be good. But this was a huge change of direction.
All of these feature being dropped in had to be reengineered from the (potentially) not open source enterprise code that they came from.
Additionally, the company behind the product is brand new. Yes the people are mostly the same but the company is new.
These are all things that, when combined, mean that I do not feel confident using this application in production.
How are these changes different from ones that ownCloud did/would have made? I consider this even less of a concern since most of the dev team came over directly from the oC project, so they would already be intimately familiar with the product and it's code.
They had to write new code to implement features that were enterprise only. This is not the same code.
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@JaredBusch said in Offline files nightmare:
@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@dafyre Good to know. I was considering owncloud then it got forked(?) to nextcloud and it is still too new for me to use in production.
Forked doesn't mean new. NextCloud is very mature. It's like a decade old, the most mature of its class of software, open source (which adds to maturity) and is on the tenth production major release. If it's not mature, nothing is.
Which is why I didn't understand JB's saying he couldn't use it in production - it was to new.
Because prior to version 10, with no repo installation process, it was an all manual upgrade mess.
The core NextCloud code is 6 years old (not nearly 10 @scottalanmiller) and is quite stable. The problem is they immediately began to change things after forking. These changes are certainly intended to be good. But this was a huge change of direction.
All of these feature being dropped in had to be reengineered from the (potentially) not open source enterprise code that they came from.
Additionally, the company behind the product is brand new. Yes the people are mostly the same but the company is new.
These are all things that, when combined, mean that I do not feel confident using this application in production.
The important but is that they made rapid changes AFTER forking. No different than if MS Office made some big changes between versions.
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@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
WTF? Completely different, because MS doesn't do that.
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@JaredBusch Microsoft doesn't make big changes between versions?
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Now I'm just lost.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@JaredBusch Microsoft doesn't make big changes between versions?
Never. .oO( System Center, SharePoint, ... )
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
But if you consider software to only be mature when it is "old" and no longer updated... what good software could you ever use?
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
But if you consider software to only be mature when it is "old" and no longer updated... what good software could you ever use?
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@scottalanmiller I didn't say that either. There are levels "in-between". Usually big changes introduce bugs or kinks that need to be addressed. Some products' teams handle these better than others, in long betas but others still need a fair amount of work after general release.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
I find this hilarious. I recall the days when people wouldn't touch a MS OS until SP1 came out. 1607 is more or less service pack 2. Sadly MS has just been on a horrible ride of bad patches/updates lately!
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@thwr said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
But if you consider software to only be mature when it is "old" and no longer updated... what good software could you ever use?
And you consider those to be "good"?
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@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
I find this hilarious. I recall the days when people wouldn't touch a MS OS until SP1 came out. 1607 is more or less service pack 2. Sadly MS has just been on a horrible ride of bad patches/updates lately!
Yes, it's really just a bad product at this point. That's a totally different concern.
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@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
I find this hilarious. I recall the days when people wouldn't touch a MS OS until SP1 came out. 1607 is more or less service pack 2. Sadly MS has just been on a horrible ride of bad patches/updates lately!
And a lot of people wait to upgrade to a new SP, because why?
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@thwr said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
But if you consider software to only be mature when it is "old" and no longer updated... what good software could you ever use?
And you consider those to be "good"?
- Atari: Can be compared to a C64. Made my first steps on it.
- dBase: The whole inventory and renting management for my Grandfathers video rental store was build using dBase. My first "database"
- Symphonie: Well... always hated it.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@JaredBusch Microsoft doesn't make big changes between versions?
Of course they do, but you said you turn off auto update? That is not versions. That is patching.
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@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
I find this hilarious. I recall the days when people wouldn't touch a MS OS until SP1 came out. 1607 is more or less service pack 2. Sadly MS has just been on a horrible ride of bad patches/updates lately!
And a lot of people wait to upgrade to a new SP, because why?
Because they don't understand how software is made. We talk about that problem all the time. It's an irrational fear and misunderstanding of software maturity.
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@JaredBusch AU= Anniversary Update and not auto update.
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@scottalanmiller said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@Dashrender said in Offline files nightmare:
@wrx7m said in Offline files nightmare:
@scottalanmiller Right, and that is why I don't have Windows 10 AU running on any of my users' systems.
I find this hilarious. I recall the days when people wouldn't touch a MS OS until SP1 came out. 1607 is more or less service pack 2. Sadly MS has just been on a horrible ride of bad patches/updates lately!
And a lot of people wait to upgrade to a new SP, because why?
Because they don't understand how software is made. We talk about that problem all the time. It's an irrational fear and misunderstanding of software maturity.
