Time for me to move on from Webroot
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@scottalanmiller said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Every study shows higher drug use for kids in DARE than without DARE
That does seem weird - why do you think that is so? rebellious nature of kids?
DARE didn't require it to be rebellious. It made authorities into the bad guys, made those that avoided drugs look like losers, branded those avoiding drugs as bad apples, made kids stand out for avoiding drugs, etc. It provided so much false information that it became clear that the anti-drug people were the bad guys and that all of the warnings about drugs were obviously from a questionable source.
Wow - I didn't get that impression at all. If you have an old PSA from DARE that you can show as an example, I might understand it better today.
At worst, I saw DARE showing that only those flaunting the law took drugs.
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Nice threadjack guys.
Have fun at your new job Nic!
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@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
can you provide an example of a false statement?
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@scottalanmiller hit the nail on the head. DARE basically did 3 things that were really bad.
- I had never even heard of marijuana, heroine, or crack in 5th grade, but I was introduced to all that in the DARE program
- They blatantly lied about things you have already been exposed to such as alcohol and beer. My father, mother, and their friends regularly drank beer and occasionally liquor so I knew that it was flat out lie that one beer could kill you.
- It made not doing drugs look really dorky.
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@DenisKelley said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Nice threadjack guys.
Here at ML, this is merely called a thread.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
can you provide an example of a false statement?
Unfortunately no, they've changed their curriculum since I was in school and I can only give you anecdotal evidence from personal experience of what was said in our "classes". Mostly that Canabis is ridiculously addictive, and can kill you if you take it once.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
can you provide an example of a false statement?
Can you provide an example of a true statement from the DARE program? lol. They were trying to scare kids so they manipulated the facts. What they said may not have been a blatant lie, but used favorable stats to be purposely misleading.
We see the media and government spew misleading facts all the time. The specific stats they are quoting are true, but they are meant to make you believe something that isn't necessarily true.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller hit the nail on the head. DARE basically did 3 things that were really bad.
- I had never even heard of marijuana, heroine, or crack in 5th grade, but I was introduced to all that in the DARE program
- They blatantly lied about things you have already been exposed to such as alcohol and beer. My father, mother, and their friends regularly drank beer and occasionally liquor so I knew that it was flat out lie that one beer could kill you.
- It made not doing drugs look really dorky.
That pretty much summed it up. It's kind of like what a drug cartel would design as an educational program to prep kids to be junkies. And then it's presented by a non-profit to do it. Really, if a cartel wanted to do the maximum damage, this is how they would have hoped it would have played out.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
can you provide an example of a false statement?
Can you provide an example of a true statement from the DARE program? lol. They were trying to scare kids so they manipulated the facts. What they said may not have been a blatant lie, but used favorable stats to be purposely misleading.
We see the media and government spew misleading facts all the time. The specific stats they are quoting are true, but they are meant to make you believe something that isn't necessarily true.
You've just described anyone who is trying to sell their point when talking about anything ever. LOL
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@coliver said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
I was a nerdy kid who enjoyed the library a bit too much. So when they started spewing false statements I had this desire to fact check them.
can you provide an example of a false statement?
Can you provide an example of a true statement from the DARE program? lol. They were trying to scare kids so they manipulated the facts. What they said may not have been a blatant lie, but used favorable stats to be purposely misleading.
We see the media and government spew misleading facts all the time. The specific stats they are quoting are true, but they are meant to make you believe something that isn't necessarily true.
You've just described anyone who is trying to sell their point when talking about anything ever. LOL
But you don't do it to kids to encourage them to be junkies!
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller hit the nail on the head. DARE basically did 3 things that were really bad.
- I had never even heard of marijuana, heroine, or crack in 5th grade, but I was introduced to all that in the DARE program
- They blatantly lied about things you have already been exposed to such as alcohol and beer. My father, mother, and their friends regularly drank beer and occasionally liquor so I knew that it was flat out lie that one beer could kill you.
- It made not doing drugs look really dorky.
Yes that was my reaction when I first saw DARE.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller hit the nail on the head. DARE basically did 3 things that were really bad.
- I had never even heard of marijuana, heroine, or crack in 5th grade, but I was introduced to all that in the DARE program
I give you this one.
- They blatantly lied about things you have already been exposed to such as alcohol and beer. My father, mother, and their friends regularly drank beer and occasionally liquor so I knew that it was flat out lie that one beer could kill you.
I certainly don't recall them ever telling our class (in Nebraska) that you could die from one beer, or one joint - though I do recall that they said you could die from one use of one of the hard core ones, like crack or heroine.
- It made not doing drugs look really dorky.
And how did they do that? By showing you pictures of celebrities that were doing drugs and how awesome their lives were, even though they did drugs and that you shouldn't do them? seriously... they showed us pictures of people strung out on meth and cocaine, not a pretty picture. I never left those lectures thinking.. damn I'm lame because I don't do drugs.
Again I go back to the rebellious question - did it seem cool because kids are rebellious and want to do the opposite of what "the man" says they should?
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@scottalanmiller hit the nail on the head. DARE basically did 3 things that were really bad.
- I had never even heard of marijuana, heroine, or crack in 5th grade, but I was introduced to all that in the DARE program
I give you this one.
- They blatantly lied about things you have already been exposed to such as alcohol and beer. My father, mother, and their friends regularly drank beer and occasionally liquor so I knew that it was flat out lie that one beer could kill you.
I certainly don't recall them ever telling our class (in Nebraska) that you could die from one beer, or one joint - though I do recall that they said you could die from one use of one of the hard core ones, like crack or heroine.
- It made not doing drugs look really dorky.
And how did they do that? By showing you pictures of celebrities that were doing drugs and how awesome their lives were, even though they did drugs and that you shouldn't do them? seriously... they showed us pictures of people strung out on meth and cocaine, not a pretty picture. I never left those lectures thinking.. damn I'm lame because I don't do drugs.
Again I go back to the rebellious question - did it seem cool because kids are rebellious and want to do the opposite of what "the man" says they should?
Kids in kindergarten think cops are cool, once you get to middle school you don't think that anymore. At least the majority of kids don't.
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@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Again I go back to the rebellious question - did it seem cool because kids are rebellious and want to do the opposite of what "the man" says they should?
Kids in kindergarten think cops are cool, once you get to middle school you don't think that anymore. At least the majority of kids don't.
So you're giving me this point then? that it's really just the rebellious nature of children, so the message is lost. I can accept that.
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@Dashrender we were told some stories that I am sure were true. For example the one about the beer was a guy that never drank alcohol before and didn't know how to react when drunk and got hit by a car. A drunk guy probably did get hit by a car whether it was his first time drinking or whether the alcohol caused it, that is deabateable.
Also absolutely some people have addictive personalities and can instantly become addicts to anything (not limited to drugs). So yes I am sure that someone tried marijuana once and was 100% addicted to it, but that is one person. Not the majority.
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Again I go back to the rebellious question - did it seem cool because kids are rebellious and want to do the opposite of what "the man" says they should?
Kids in kindergarten think cops are cool, once you get to middle school you don't think that anymore. At least the majority of kids don't.
So you're giving me this point then? that it's really just the rebellious nature of children, so the message is lost. I can accept that.
Yeah exactly. If authorities said something was cool it rarely was. Most adults don't know how to talk to middle schoolers and they treat them like they are in elementary school.
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Their HQ is in Spokane? That's only 2 hours south of where I grew up in Idaho.
That's cool you get to work from home. What are you going to be doing that warrant's being able to do that?
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@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@IRJ said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
@Dashrender said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Again I go back to the rebellious question - did it seem cool because kids are rebellious and want to do the opposite of what "the man" says they should?
Kids in kindergarten think cops are cool, once you get to middle school you don't think that anymore. At least the majority of kids don't.
So you're giving me this point then? that it's really just the rebellious nature of children, so the message is lost. I can accept that.
It does not take rebellious nature to not think that a cop is cool. Also, cops are not in charge of kids, therefore rebellion is not applicable.
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@BBigford said in Time for me to move on from Webroot:
Their HQ is in Spokane? That's only 2 hours south of where I grew up in Idaho.
That's cool you get to work from home. What are you going to be doing that warrant's being able to do that?
That's just where the business is registered, for legal reasons. The parent company is actually in Tucson, AZ, so I'll be making some regular trips out there. Since it's an online community for cannabis professionals, I'll be building and growing the community - basically all the same stuff I've done elsewhere
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Sure, the guy with a fro is going out to start a pot growing business.
No stereotypes there!
