Windows Server 2016 Pricing
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Out of curiosity, and not trying to rub any more salt, what's the reasoning behind having exchange on-site still?
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@coliver said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Out of curiosity, and not trying to rub any more salt, what's the reasoning behind having exchange on-site still?
It's all good, seriously I'm not offended or anything
We have looked at hosted, but the cost is quite high. Again, understanding that we buy Exchange and ride it until the cows come home, a one-and-done capex is a lot easier to swallow then a not-insignificant opex. But again, that is my manager's current "style".
Google Apps came in and pitched a hosted email solution that looked great to me, but wasn't much cheaper (first year discounts aside). My manager doesn't think we can sell anything but Outlook to the organization though... Sigh.
Me, I actually logged into MangoLassi today to look for reviews of Zimbra. Trying to think outside of the box and save some money on that front.. Open source or more affordable 3rd party mail solutions. In fact my original goal this morning was to look for ways in general to get away from a Windows environment (Honest -- I'll show my Google search history!).
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@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
We have looked at hosted, but the cost is quite high.
Do Government entities get a discount? I know non-profits get it for free.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
We have looked at hosted, but the cost is quite high.
Do Government entities get a discount? I know non-profits get it for free.
Not like you'd think. I really really wish that were the case. There might be a marginal discount but it's still not enough to make it viable, at least not in line with our current situation.
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@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Me, I actually logged into MangoLassi today to look for reviews of Zimbra. Trying to think outside of the box and save some money on that front.. Open source or more affordable 3rd party mail solutions. In fact my original goal this morning was to look for ways in general to get away from a Windows environment
Zimbra is a great option for on-premises email systems. We ran it for years. Easy to manage, free. It's very nice.
If you are willing to pay, Axigen is worth considering too. Full support, runs on Linux as well, the developers are here in the community, much less cost than Windows.
There is also MDaemon, but that runs on Windows. Much lower cost than Exchange.
All of these have Outlook connection options, none are 100% free for that feature.
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@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
We have looked at hosted, but the cost is quite high.
Do Government entities get a discount? I know non-profits get it for free.
Not like you'd think. I really really wish that were the case. There might be a marginal discount but it's still not enough to make it viable, at least not in line with our current situation.
I didn't expect much, so maybe I have a good picture. Full price is $4/user. Non-profit price is free. I'd guess government was around $3.50.
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We also need full archival for records retention. We currently do it on-site with an appliance from Jatheon. That bumps us into a higher bracket for hosted Exchange I believe.
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@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
We also need full archival for records retention. We currently do it on-site with an appliance from Jatheon. That bumps us into a higher bracket for hosted Exchange I believe.
It adds a cost, not necessarily a different bracket. Can be done through a third party.
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@coliver said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Out of curiosity, and not trying to rub any more salt, what's the reasoning behind having exchange on-site still?
As a municipality, if the police department is on this server, that is the reason.
Exchange Online is not legally allowed for any organization that is required to meet ... and my mind just blanked on what the acronym is for police investigation chain of evidence compliance.
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Does anyone have a stupid simple breakdown of pricing? I'm still confuzzled on how this per core stuff works... Currently I work for an MS partner so this isn't something I've had to worry about for quite some time...
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@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Does anyone have a stupid simple breakdown of pricing? I'm still confuzzled on how this per core stuff works... Currently I work for an MS partner so this isn't something I've had to worry about for quite some time...
Normally working for a partner means you deal with it hundreds of times more than normal companies, rather than less.
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@zuphzuph Basically you have to license both CPUs and cores. Base CPU licensing comes with sixteen cores in the pack. If you need more cores than that includes, you buy them extra on top.
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@JaredBusch said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@coliver said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Out of curiosity, and not trying to rub any more salt, what's the reasoning behind having exchange on-site still?
As a municipality, if the police department is on this server, that is the reason.
Exchange Online is not legally allowed for any organization that is required to meet ... and my mind just blanked on what the acronym is for police investigation chain of evidence compliance.
CJIS?
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@scottalanmiller Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense, but man is that aggressive... I take it licensing some heavy hitting hypervisors is gonna cost a small fortune if you choose to use Hyper-V...
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JB just figured it out for me.
It's $55.13 per core for standard
and $384.69 per core for DatacenterThe thing to keep in mind is that you must start at 16 cores minimum, and after that, cores have to be purchased in pairs.
This makes the lowest price for Stardand $882 and Datacenter $6155
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@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense, but man is that aggressive... I take it licensing some heavy hitting hypervisors is gonna cost a small fortune if you choose to use Hyper-V...
Hyper-V is free regardless of the number of cores. Hyper-V is not tied to Standard or Datacenter licensing.
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@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense, but man is that aggressive... I take it licensing some heavy hitting hypervisors is gonna cost a small fortune if you choose to use Hyper-V...
Hyper-V is free regardless of the number of cores.
Good to know!
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@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Does anyone have a stupid simple breakdown of pricing? I'm still confuzzled on how this per core stuff works... Currently I work for an MS partner so this isn't something I've had to worry about for quite some time...
For Server 2016 Standard:
$882 for the minimum 16 cores means that the per core price is $55.13.
You are required to buy in 2-core packs. Each 2-core pack then should cost $110.26.
If you have a 2 proc x 10 core server, for 20 total cores, then you will buy 10 2-core packs for $110.26 * 10 = $1102.60.
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@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@zuphzuph said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense, but man is that aggressive... I take it licensing some heavy hitting hypervisors is gonna cost a small fortune if you choose to use Hyper-V...
Hyper-V is free regardless of the number of cores.
Good to know!
The MS Server 2016 licensing applies no matter what hypervisor you are running.
VMWare, Hyper-V, XS, or KVM. If you want to install Server 2016 Standard as a VM on your hypervisor, then you have to buy a license that covers the number of cores the system actually has. Irregardless of the number of cores you assign to the VM.
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@crustachio said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@JaredBusch said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
@coliver said in Windows Server 2016 Pricing:
Out of curiosity, and not trying to rub any more salt, what's the reasoning behind having exchange on-site still?
As a municipality, if the police department is on this server, that is the reason.
Exchange Online is not legally allowed for any organization that is required to meet ... and my mind just blanked on what the acronym is for police investigation chain of evidence compliance.
CJIS?
That might be it. I was in a meeting last month with some people involved with a few municipalities in the St Louis region and they were telling me how they could not move Exchange offsite yet due to CJIS (or whatever acronym I am trying to recall).
They wanted to move but simply could not because evidence was being thrown out by the courts for breaking the control of the evidence.
