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    • coliverC
      coliver @BRRABill
      last edited by

      @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

      @JaredBusch said

      This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

      He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

      It only matters if that other DC is also a DNS and DHCP server.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch @BRRABill
        last edited by

        @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

        @JaredBusch said

        This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

        He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

        Because this is a DHCP/DNS down issue. not an AD down issue.

        This has nothing to do with DC replication.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @coliver
          last edited by

          @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

          @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

          @JaredBusch said

          This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

          He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

          It only matters if that other DC is also a DNS and DHCP server.

          And this is not possible in a 2003/2008 environment. DHCP redundancy was only added in 2012 R2 (maybe 2012).

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch
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            @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @BRRABill it is broke because almost certainly his DHCP scope is only handing out the down DNS server as a DNS for the LAN.

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              • wirestyle22W
                wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                last edited by wirestyle22

                @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable". This is applying to all servers though, not just the one that is down.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @wirestyle22
                  last edited by

                  @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                  @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                  @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                  When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                  How are you browsing the data store?

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                  • coliverC
                    coliver @wirestyle22
                    last edited by coliver

                    @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                    @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                    @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                    When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                    You're browsing in the VMWare console? The easiest way to get to it is via:

                    0_1473355605895_chrome_2016-09-08_13-26-23.png

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                      @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                      @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                      @JaredBusch said

                      This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

                      He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

                      It only matters if that other DC is also a DNS and DHCP server.

                      And this is not possible in a 2003/2008 environment. DHCP redundancy was only added in 2012 R2 (maybe 2012).

                      DHCP is not what I am thinking about.

                      It was my understand that AD and DNS are linked. AKA, DNS is required to run AD.

                      I understand what you are saying. But if AD was installed and working correctly, then so potentially was DNS. So there could be in theory a working DC with AD and DNS already on the network.

                      Hence if he is doing a restore of a DC with another working DC in the domain, it could cause even more issues.

                      Or am I totally wrong here?

                      DHCP, as was mentioned, could be fixed by anything. I am more thinking about AD and DNS which as I said might actually be fine.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @coliver
                        last edited by

                        @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                        @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                        @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                        @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                        When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                        You're browsing in the VMWare console? The easiest way to get to it is via:

                        0_1473355605895_chrome_2016-09-08_13-26-23.png

                        I'm running version 5.1.0 and I just click on Datastores

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
                          last edited by

                          @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                          @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                          @scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                          @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                          @JaredBusch It has both. I set a static IP on the computer I am on currently and can connect to the internet.

                          Now that you are online again, is DNS working on the DC that is up? If so, good. If not, why not?

                          Willing to bet that the second DNS server is not in the DHCP config so the clients only looked to the first.

                          BUt that is unfixable at the moment.

                          How do I make it fixable? This places backups are absolutely horrendous and I'm sure it is not recoverable. I have been fighting with them to change it and then this happens.

                          Then this is a blessing. You just did your job well, they failed at management, now you have proof. This is a good thing for you and for IT and maybe for the company. Nothing matters much less than losing a domain controller. Be thankful that the pudding with the proof was cheap pudding.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @BRRABill
                            last edited by

                            @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                            @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                            @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                            @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                            @JaredBusch said

                            This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

                            He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

                            It only matters if that other DC is also a DNS and DHCP server.

                            And this is not possible in a 2003/2008 environment. DHCP redundancy was only added in 2012 R2 (maybe 2012).

                            DHCP is not what I am thinking about.

                            It was my understand that AD and DNS are linked. AKA, DNS is required to run AD.

                            I understand what you are saying. But if AD was installed and working correctly, then so potentially was DNS. So there could be in theory a working DC with AD and DNS already on the network.

                            Hence if he is doing a restore of a DC with another working DC in the domain, it could cause even more issues.

                            Or am I totally wrong here?

                            DHCP, as was mentioned, could be fixed by anything. I am more thinking about AD and DNS which as I said might actually be fine.

                            You are not troubleshooting the problem.
                            You are conflating AD sync with a simple down server.
                            The only thing that has happened is he (incorrectly) removed a domain joined machine from the network.
                            So when the FSMO DC comes back up there may need to be a minor manual cleanup.
                            Had he not reomved his machine from the network, there would have been no changes to worry about in the first place.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @coliver
                              last edited by

                              @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                              If you have no backups then you need to look at DHCP and getting a second/new server set up. Or seeing if your firewall has the ability to hand out addresses that may be the quickest way to do it. management decided that this outage doesn't matter.

                              And I mean this. Stop for a moment, remove the stress. Management has made it totally clear to you, before this happened, that they were not concerned about this outage, right? Don't take on stress that the company doesn't have. If they don't care, why do you? I'm not saying you don't fix it, of course you fix it. But don't stress about it. They knew this was going to happen and being a 2003 machine, they knew it would be soon. They accepted the risk, they accept the consequences. It's as simple as that.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @wirestyle22
                                last edited by

                                @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                                When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                                You're browsing in the VMWare console? The easiest way to get to it is via:

                                0_1473355605895_chrome_2016-09-08_13-26-23.png

                                I'm running version 5.1.0 and I just click on Datastores

                                So you are using the fat client on your workstation?

                                Are you logged in with VMWare local account or a domain account?

                                Because obviously you have domain issues because of the bad DNS setup.

                                log in to the VMWare client with root and the local password.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                  last edited by

                                  @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                  @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                  The fastest thing to do is to do is to simply restore from Veeam/Unitrends/Whatever.

                                  Done up and nothing else matters.

                                  You can then prioritize resolving the fagility in the current setup.

                                  So AD on the down DC would not have been syncing with the other DC he has if DNS was set up incorrectly?

                                  Correct. Nothing works when it doesn't work. That's what not working means. "Set up incorrectly" is just another way of saying "not working."

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                                  • wirestyle22W
                                    wirestyle22 @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                    @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                    If you have no backups then you need to look at DHCP and getting a second/new server set up. Or seeing if your firewall has the ability to hand out addresses that may be the quickest way to do it. management decided that this outage doesn't matter.

                                    And I mean this. Stop for a moment, remove the stress. Management has made it totally clear to you, before this happened, that they were not concerned about this outage, right? Don't take on stress that the company doesn't have. If they don't care, why do you? I'm not saying you don't fix it, of course you fix it. But don't stress about it. They knew this was going to happen and being a 2003 machine, they knew it would be soon. They accepted the risk, they accept the consequences. It's as simple as that.

                                    I'm stressed because I honestly do not know how to fix it. I have people calling me literally every 2 minutes for progress updates and I really have nothing to tell them. My job is to know and I don't know.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                      last edited by

                                      @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                      @JaredBusch said

                                      This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

                                      He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

                                      He also said it doesn't work. AD isn't the issue right now.

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                                      • wirestyle22W
                                        wirestyle22 @JaredBusch
                                        last edited by

                                        @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                        @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                        @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                        @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                        @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                        @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                                        When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                                        You're browsing in the VMWare console? The easiest way to get to it is via:

                                        0_1473355605895_chrome_2016-09-08_13-26-23.png

                                        I'm running version 5.1.0 and I just click on Datastores

                                        So you are using the fat client on your workstation?

                                        Are you logged in with VMWare local account or a domain account?

                                        Because obviously you have domain issues because of the bad DNS setup.

                                        log in to the VMWare client with root and the local password.

                                        I'm logging in with root and the local password actually on the server itself.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @wirestyle22
                                          last edited by

                                          @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @wirestyle22 said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                          @wirestyle22 is the VMDK there?

                                          When I attempt to browse it kicks back an error stating "the server could not interpret the users request. the server is unavailable"

                                          You're browsing in the VMWare console? The easiest way to get to it is via:

                                          0_1473355605895_chrome_2016-09-08_13-26-23.png

                                          I'm running version 5.1.0 and I just click on Datastores

                                          So you are using the fat client on your workstation?

                                          Are you logged in with VMWare local account or a domain account?

                                          Because obviously you have domain issues because of the bad DNS setup.

                                          log in to the VMWare client with root and the local password.

                                          I'm logging in with root and the local password actually on the server itself.

                                          No you are not. You said you are using a client. The VMWare server itself only provides a command line interface.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                            last edited by

                                            @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                            @JaredBusch said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                            @coliver said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                            @BRRABill said in Domain Controller Down (VM):

                                            @JaredBusch said

                                            This does not matter FFS, forget about AD.

                                            He said there is another DC. How does it not matter?

                                            It only matters if that other DC is also a DNS and DHCP server.

                                            And this is not possible in a 2003/2008 environment. DHCP redundancy was only added in 2012 R2 (maybe 2012).

                                            DHCP is not what I am thinking about.

                                            It was my understand that AD and DNS are linked. AKA, DNS is required to run AD.

                                            Unilaterally coupled, yes. DNS is needed for AD; AD is irrelevant to DNS. Right now, he has a network issue. AD simply doesn't matter right now. AD outages rarely matter. DNS and DHCP outages, normally are critical.

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