What Are You Doing Right Now
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@brandon220 In my experience, take it with grain of salt, but I think Fedora or any mainstream Linux is more likely to work and have fewer issues.
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@jmoore That is my point about purchasing with NO OS. Its almost guaranteed to work. I have loaded different flavors of linux over the years and over a broad range of hardware. I don't recall any issues that would prevent me from trying it again.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller True, but if I buy a Dell laptop with W10 Home edition, and I install Fedora Workstation on it, completely wiping away Windows - There is no guarantee of Fedora working on it just because Windows 10 did. I know that going in, that it may not work. That is a risk I the consumer would have to make.
That's a totally different problem than I'm mentioning, though. I'm talking about literally testing that specific piece of hardware. "Does the harddrive spin, is the RAM good, etc." That's why they always install "something" so that they can prove that it fires up and functions.
That's why if you choose "NO OS" from HPE, you still get FreeDOS.
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@scottalanmiller Yes, I would expect the unit to be 100% functioning and all the hardware verified. I can buy a server with no disks, no OS, etc, and I am sure they still tested the hardware before shipping. If I buy a Server from HPE or Dell with no disks, they can't ship it to me with FreeDOS pre-installed.
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mother in law is moving into a new house. she used to be an hour+ away from us. now she is 20 minutes away.
/wrists
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@wirestyle22 My MIL lives across the street. I am a PRO at ignoring her. Don't even know she is there. She rarely comes over too. If she does, I just go to my shop.
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@brandon220 Laura's family never cut the umbilical cord
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore That is my point about purchasing with NO OS. Its almost guaranteed to work. I have loaded different flavors of linux over the years and over a broad range of hardware. I don't recall any issues that would prevent me from trying it again.
Well I see a lot of hardware and get a lot every year that comes dead, even with an OS loaded already. If your luckier than I, then yay lol. My luck may just suck too.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
to start with a clean slate. Sure, a laptop with W10 Home would work to wipe but regardless you are still paying for a MS
Actually the costs difference for No OS versus Windows OS could huge, and cost you money.
Dell could, for example, pay MS $30 for Home edition, and then get paid $50 to put all that junkware on there.You remove the OS and suddenly the computer could cost you $20 more. I'm saying could.. I have no clue what those people pay OEMs to install junkware.
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@Dashrender I am just tired of all the garbage that gets installed with every update, and every time a new user logs in. If I remove all of the bloatware, and then do a release upgrade - it all comes back. Updates take forever and fail more often than not. I am referring to higher priced workstations too. Still takes way too long. The whole update process is a failure.
I don't need a Phone Plans app, an XBox App, A My Phone App, etc. The list goes on.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Yes, I would expect the unit to be 100% functioning and all the hardware verified. I can buy a server with no disks, no OS, etc, and I am sure they still tested the hardware before shipping. If I buy a Server from HPE or Dell with no disks, they can't ship it to me with FreeDOS pre-installed.
Right, but servers aren't for consumers. They go to IT. Consumers getting a laptop with no OS will be confused and make the whole thing cost more. So you end up paying more, rather than less. So you'd literally have to pay, for not having an OS.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
to start with a clean slate. Sure, a laptop with W10 Home would work to wipe but regardless you are still paying for a MS
Actually the costs difference for No OS versus Windows OS could huge, and cost you money.
Dell could, for example, pay MS $30 for Home edition, and then get paid $50 to put all that junkware on there.You remove the OS and suddenly the computer could cost you $20 more. I'm saying could.. I have no clue what those people pay OEMs to install junkware.
Yeah, it's potentially a negative cost.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender I am just tired of all the garbage that gets installed with every update, and every time a new user logs in. If I remove all of the bloatware, and then do a release upgrade - it all comes back. Updates take forever and fail more often than not. I am referring to higher priced workstations too. Still takes way too long. The whole update process is a failure.
I don't need a Phone Plans app, an XBox App, A My Phone App, etc. The list goes on.
I hear ya - but that has nothing to do with the hardware manufacturer (unless you're buying MS hardware) and everything to do with Microsoft - so not sure how that relates to how you want to buy a system with no OS?
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I don't need a Phone Plans app, an XBox App, A My Phone App, etc. The list goes on.
If you have all this stuff - it's because management at your company made the choice to have it - they choose to continue to use Windows.
Now that said - I'm wondering how much of that crap comes back when you go from a decrapified 1903 to 1909? or 2004? those two "upgrades" are not really upgrades, more like service packs, and generally take 10 or less to install, unlike past ones that took hours.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I hear ya - but that has nothing to do with the hardware manufacturer (unless you're buying MS hardware) and everything to do with Microsoft - so not sure how that relates to how you want to buy a system with no OS?
I'm referring to the reasons why I want to be rid of Windows. I just hate having to pay for MS license if it is not going to be used. That is all.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Now that said - I'm wondering how much of that crap comes back when you go from a decrapified 1903 to 1909? or 2004? those two "upgrades" are not really upgrades, more like service packs, and generally take 10 or less to install, unlike past ones that took hours.
I installed the 2004 update 3 times this morning and it all came back.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender I am just tired of all the garbage that gets installed with every update, and every time a new user logs in. If I remove all of the bloatware, and then do a release upgrade - it all comes back. Updates take forever and fail more often than not. I am referring to higher priced workstations too. Still takes way too long. The whole update process is a failure.
I don't need a Phone Plans app, an XBox App, A My Phone App, etc. The list goes on.
Yeah if you have to use Windws for users, then the solution is to make images for your Windows machines. I get 300-500 new machines every year to deploy. They all come with windows Pro. I use imaging software and blow them away as they come in with the Windows that I want on there. I take away most of everything and just have stuff I want on there. Theres very little you can't get rid of.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Now that said - I'm wondering how much of that crap comes back when you go from a decrapified 1903 to 1909? or 2004? those two "upgrades" are not really upgrades, more like service packs, and generally take 10 or less to install, unlike past ones that took hours.
I installed the 2004 update 3 times this morning and it all came back.
Yeah some things will come back. It takes a lot of work but I use powershell to routinely nuke stuff across departments. My management chooses to use Windows so I do the best I can.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I hear ya - but that has nothing to do with the hardware manufacturer (unless you're buying MS hardware) and everything to do with Microsoft - so not sure how that relates to how you want to buy a system with no OS?
I'm referring to the reasons why I want to be rid of Windows. I just hate having to pay for MS license if it is not going to be used. That is all.
Dash's point, which is quite valid, is that if you are getting the Home version, often you are being "paid" to have it installed, rather than the other way around.
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@brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Now that said - I'm wondering how much of that crap comes back when you go from a decrapified 1903 to 1909? or 2004? those two "upgrades" are not really upgrades, more like service packs, and generally take 10 or less to install, unlike past ones that took hours.
I installed the 2004 update 3 times this morning and it all came back.
Yes, Windows itself is bloatware now. And we classify Teams as malware (it meets every definition I've ever seen). The only solution there is moving away from a bloatware/malware platform. Starting with Windows, if you don't like the Windows ecosystem, will never make for a happy result.
