What Are You Doing Right Now
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RingCentral is my "go to" for tiny shops of a couple of people. But at around 12 users, they start to be too expensive with too few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly flat. By the time you are into the high teens of users, the cost differential is just crazy.
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I think we just did a comparison against them for a 14 person company and they were double the MSRP of their competition, with fewer business features. We beat them on a project two days ago, our price was $1200 and theirs was around $9000.
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Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
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@eddiejennings if you have a link post it. I want to make sure I understand too.
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@popester said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings if you have a link post it. I want to make sure I understand too.
I'll make a video. there have been several discussions, can't remember if there is a good article to link to or not.
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Simple answer, though, is that for something to be a backup, it has to be a copy of an original. If the original vanishes, it's no longer a copy, but what used to be the backup becomes the original (or source.) To be a backup, the original must still exist.
If the original ceases to exist, but you moved your primary from production to low tier storage, we refer to that as an archive. Archives are the source data, but aren't kept at production readiness. This could mean a low tier of disks, or even tape in a vault.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@popester said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings if you have a link post it. I want to make sure I understand too.
I'll make a video. there have been several discussions, can't remember if there is a good article to link to or not.
Would you clarify the differences between a copy, a backup, and an archive and the situation to use each in that video? Thanks
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
o few business features. And as you add users, their cost goes through the roof, while with other models cost stays nearly fla
Yep, I had a customer on DialPad, at 3 it totally made sense to be there, at 6 it became time to look at hosted FreePBX.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Simple answer, though, is that for something to be a backup, it has to be a copy of an original. If the original vanishes, it's no longer a copy, but what used to be the backup becomes the original (or source.) To be a backup, the original must still exist.
If the original ceases to exist, but you moved your primary from production to low tier storage, we refer to that as an archive. Archives are the source data, but aren't kept at production readiness. This could mean a low tier of disks, or even tape in a vault.
The thing in particular I'm trying to wrap my head around is how the 3-2-1 method of backups work with (or doesn't work) the concept of Grandfather-father-son archiving.
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@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
At the ring central breakout session currently
We were just discussing ways to beat their pricing for tiny clients last night
They have basically nothing to offer a shop over ~12 users already.
I think k they are a solid company so sorry this claim seems kind of dubious to me since your a salesman to
You are right to take what I say with the context of me as well having a product to promote. But you should remember that that's your interface to them, as well. But I can say that outside of that context, if you compare RingCentral to Bundy Associates, something I do all of the time as a consultant that can't recommend my own options, the exact same thing happens, by twelve users, RC is completely out of the game. RC is purely a "tiny company" player. Which is a huge market, but anything over twelve users and you basically have them not offering anything. They are a SOHO product. Nothing wrong with that, but that's their market.
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@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
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@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Now talking with @BluGhost23 about him getting his radio license. Kind of feel like a radio ambassador.
I have my Technician Class license. Don't have a radio though...
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To be a backup, the copy must also be decoupled. Loss of the primary itself cannot lead to the loss of the backup, or it isn't a backup. This is why snapshots, for example, are not backups.
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While my target is not reselling or channel, but bundles, I would be interested in feedback on my pricing...
Just got this online in the past few days.
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@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly (*edit - decoupled to use Scott's term) separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.
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@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Simple answer, though, is that for something to be a backup, it has to be a copy of an original. If the original vanishes, it's no longer a copy, but what used to be the backup becomes the original (or source.) To be a backup, the original must still exist.
If the original ceases to exist, but you moved your primary from production to low tier storage, we refer to that as an archive. Archives are the source data, but aren't kept at production readiness. This could mean a low tier of disks, or even tape in a vault.
The thing in particular I'm trying to wrap my head around is how the 3-2-1 method of backups work with (or doesn't work) the concept of Grandfather-father-son archiving.
This is good knowledge, but not really part of the what's a backup vs archive vs copy question.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
Other than being your own term, Backup+, it makes sense.
That might be a bad term as I bet someday CompTIA will make that a cert. If they don't, we should. lol
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If I have live data on a server (let's assume non changing) and you make a copy that's wholly separate from the source data - that's a backup. It's also a copy.
Now we'll see where Scott tears me apart on that.No, that's correct. A stale backup is still a backup.
Just not a backup of updated data
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Educating myself to make sure my understanding of archive vs backup is clear.
I'm not sure about others definition but having a backup means you have a full solution of copies, on site and off site, and multiples.
I would not consider it a backup if you just have a single archive or copy
I consider a whole solution as backup+, it's not a plain jane backup.
Other than being your own term, Backup+, it makes sense.
That might be a bad term as I bet someday CompTIA will make that a cert. If they don't, we should. lol
Please don't give them any ideas.
