What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
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Ready to go home but got just over an hour to go
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ready to go home but got just over an hour to go
You'll make it!
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
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Someone who likes cigars please explain something to me. Why would someone spend $1500 on 1 single cigar?
Background: I have a Social Media client that is a high-end cigar shop (I do all their social media stuff for them). I don't get cigars... let alone the cost for some of these.
I need to be able to market these things but can't find good ways to describe them for ads.
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On the train running 10 mins late today
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@Minion-Queen said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Someone who likes cigars please explain something to me. Why would someone spend $1500 on 1 single cigar?
Background: I have a Social Media client that is a high-end cigar shop (I do all their social media stuff for them). I don't get cigars... let alone the cost for some of these.
I need to be able to market these things but can't find good ways to describe them for ads.
I like cigars... I dont spend more than $15 on a cigar though...
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@hobbit666 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
On the train running 10 mins late today
Run faster!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
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@Minion-Queen said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Someone who likes cigars please explain something to me. Why would someone spend $1500 on 1 single cigar?
Background: I have a Social Media client that is a high-end cigar shop (I do all their social media stuff for them). I don't get cigars... let alone the cost for some of these.
I need to be able to market these things but can't find good ways to describe them for ads.
When you pay $1000 for a shirt, $1500 for a cigar is probably not something you care about. Think about it this way - what if was only $1.50 how how you advertise it? take that and oozz luxury all over it, and you have Donald Trump, and rich people will buy it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Truth be told? Knowing what I do about electronics, I'd want one that shuts down before damage occurs.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Well I guess that depends. If having an over heated DC kills all of my servers, and then I have to be down even longer because I now have to replace them... I don't have the answer for you, I'm going to say it's situational.
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@Minion-Queen said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Someone who likes cigars please explain something to me. Why would someone spend $1500 on 1 single cigar?
Background: I have a Social Media client that is a high-end cigar shop (I do all their social media stuff for them). I don't get cigars... let alone the cost for some of these.
I need to be able to market these things but can't find good ways to describe them for ads.
Cigars are a wonderful vice for me, though I do not smoke more than 1 a month (usually less). I enjoy them when I can. Think of having a cigar as adding another row of violins to an orchestra when you're sitting in your back yard, working on your motorcycle, or doing anything else you enjoy, complementing the rest of the orchestra that you're already listening to.
Personally, I do not spend anything on cigars any more; I have too many (more than 300 in my humidor). There's enough to last me the rest of my life, most likely. Expensive cigars are in my humidor, just like the cheap ones, and they're all different, just like comparing an expensive whiskey with a cheap one. Sure, I'll probably reach for my favorite Nub Maduro cigar every time, but if I've got friends over or someone who really enjoys cigars, I may get out the rarer Oliva V Torpedoes that have a couple years of age on them. Maybe I'm celebrating a new job and want to go with a cigar that's not supposed to be in my humidor - a Cuban Cohiba or Montecristo. In any case, the choice of what you're smoking and when is all very personal and may be as simple as something you really, really like and can enjoy any time.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Truth be told? Knowing what I do about electronics, I'd want one that shuts down before damage occurs.
Right, in that case, I personally feel that HPE believes that their equipment has a higher temp before long term damage occurs, and Scott's experience didn't reach these higher temps.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Truth be told? Knowing what I do about electronics, I'd want one that shuts down before damage occurs.
Why? If damage is going to occur either way, I'd rather limit the overall outage.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Truth be told? Knowing what I do about electronics, I'd want one that shuts down before damage occurs.
Right, in that case, I personally feel that HPE believes that their equipment has a higher temp before long term damage occurs, and Scott's experience didn't reach these higher temps.
Yeah, they kept running, no data loss, no outages (until the Cisco switches died) and no equipment ruined. So in the most extreme test I've seen, with tens of thousands of servers, we were pretty glad that they did what they did. Shutting down would have been wrong.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@brianlittlejohn said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think it was 35C here yesterday.... My server room when I went up there was at 39C
Owch. Our stuff starts shutting down if the rooms get much over 30C
Dell will do that. HPE operates above 40C pretty well.
We are primarily a Dell shop here... so yeah. I don't mind stuff shutting down due to self-preservation, lol.
Yeah, I mostly prefer Dell, but their heat sensitivity sucks compared to HPE. I've had datacenters hit 160F and lost zero HPE servers... lost every Dell and Cisco though, including switches.
Lost as in failed, or lost as in self preservation?
Both. They failed to stay up and running, causing an outage. The HPE kept running and had no need to shut down for self preservation because it wasn't hot enough to damage them. So a heat induced outage.
Interesting - so you're saying that HPE have higher heat tolerances than Dell? or does HPE just not have thermal shutdown, instead opting for thermal meltdown, if over-heated? I am asking this mostly tongue in cheek.
Probably both. Which would you prefer, a machine that shuts down from external heat and causes an outage for sure, or one that does best effort to keep your environment running?
Truth be told? Knowing what I do about electronics, I'd want one that shuts down before damage occurs.
Right, in that case, I personally feel that HPE believes that their equipment has a higher temp before long term damage occurs, and Scott's experience didn't reach these higher temps.
Yeah, they kept running, no data loss, no outages (until the Cisco switches died) and no equipment ruined. So in the most extreme test I've seen, with tens of thousands of servers, we were pretty glad that they did what they did. Shutting down would have been wrong.
I don't agree with Scott's assessment, but it's something that those running the equipment should be fully aware of. Heck, sounds like HPE should be making a marketing push on that fact. "our competition's servers disable themselves at 120 degrees, while we just keep on going until 140 degrees" etc.
