What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said:
And why would they think they could trust you for even one second after threatening you in such a way?
I mentioned that, actually, when they tried to force me to stay and work in the office while threatening me. I pointed to their own policies and said that, in good conscious, I couldn't violate policy by staying under a threat because that would violate internal security protocol. A bunch of people were like jaw dropping at that one, including my lead. They were like "that's the craziest, inappropriate, over the top thing ever." I literally made my lead walk to my desk, made him watch me blow away my own access and walk me out the front door through security to show that I was never alone in the office, never had access without being observed and could not get back in.
Believe it or not, when I was escorted back in for a meeting with the higher ups, they actually praised me for exactly following protocol and doing exactly what I should have done. I absolutely could not be trusted under such an adversarial situation. And it turns out they had been ready to walk me out and had already cut my access but no one had been told - they wanted to see if I would try to keep working or if I would force their hand. So it was an "ethics test" of sorts and I passed 100%.
They would have used that against me in court had I done anything else. Luckily I knew how to behave because not one non-manager in the office could believe it and thought I was nuts.
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@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
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@Dashrender said:
Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
Most important things that they could not let happen:
- Let it be publicly known that after they touted their "highest in the industry pay rates* that I was walking out for a 500% increase.
- Let it be known that the "new guy" beat out everyone else in the department, including the head of engineering, for the job.
- Let it be known that everyone in the department was out looking for other work and finding it.
- Let it be known that quitting was an option, because the department might do it en masse.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
Most important things that they could not let happen:
- Let it be publicly known that after they touted their "highest in the industry pay rates* that I was walking out for a 500% increase.
- Let it be known that the "new guy" beat out everyone else in the department, including the head of engineering, for the job.
- Let it be known that everyone in the department was out looking for other work and finding it.
- Let it be known that quitting was an option, because the department might do it en masse.
So how is it that you are working for NTG and not been destroyed yet?
Edit: And also, why can you not work in the US? because of that bank?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
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@dafyre said:
So how is it that you are working for NTG and not been destroyed yet?
I'm....
- Not working. I'm retired. Just doing research, writing and a degree these days.
- Not in the US.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
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I do have a pre-existing condition with NTG that allows the involvement that I have because that was part of my hiring agreement with the bank and could not be subject to the later limitations. They accepted that in my hiring package so it is what it is.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
Depending on cost of living where you are now, 90-120 might be a pay cut in your lifestyle when in NYC.
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
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@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
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@dafyre said:
Edit: And also, why can you not work in the US? because of that bank?
Correct, the bank will (and has) threatened anyone that tries to employee me. They won't just go after me, they will go after any employer. We'd both win, but we'd both have to be willing to tie up in court for forever. Far better to just leave the country and, thankfully, we had there wherewithal to retire early.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
Depending on cost of living where you are now, 90-120 might be a pay cut in your lifestyle when in NYC.
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
I live in NJ so I would commute
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@wirestyle22 said:
@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
Gives you a little time to find a better paying job / get promotions / pay raises.
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@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
Gives you a little time to find a better paying job / get promotions / pay raises.
In theory. I think I suffer from imposter syndrome sometimes
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@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
I've actually never been, I'll have to take your word for it.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
I've actually never been, I'll have to take your word for it.
My experience in Manhattan, where my brother lives, is you can spend the same amount but will get less for it--based on where I live. I have a nice place and it only costs $925/month. Two story single bedroom townhouse. That is a low cost even in my area. I guess it depends on what you're looking for too.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
I've actually never been, I'll have to take your word for it.
Visiting makes it seem crazy expensive. But if you live there, you know how to do it. And that it is impossible to compare directly. Just like European living is totally different than US living, you have to be realistic.
For example:
- In NYC you rent, you don't buy. You get something small but you are close to things. It's very different living.
- In NYC you walk or take public transit, you don't own a car. You dont need one.
- You look for rent control and get the cheapest housing in the nation.
- You travel by plane and train. Getting to rural Pennsylvania is hard, but going to London is trivial. It's just different.
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I've worked in both NYC on Wall St. and in central NJ and found it cheaper to work in NYC even if I lived in NJ!!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Getting to rural Pennsylvania is hard, but going to London is trivial. It's just different.
I've oft wondered if life wouldn't be simpler without the need to purchase a car. Take my case... our car payment is ~430 a month (it's a bigger car), insurance on the car is ~$150 a month. Gas is another $150 a month (high estimate).
So we're looking at $730 a month just for the car. Would having a taxi drive us every where run up $730 in a single month for mostly local travel?
Dunno. I should call and ask what the local rates are.
