What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said:
Got my quarterly reminder email that I'm forbidden to work in the USofA this morning. Every three months they send one to me just to remind me how corrupt the US legal system is and how I'm forbidden to be employed in my home country. Lovely.
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@NattNatt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Got my quarterly reminder email that I'm forbidden to work in the USofA this morning. Every three months they send one to me just to remind me how corrupt the US legal system is and how I'm forbidden to be employed in my home country. Lovely.
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What?!
Yeah, that's why we left the US when we did. We wanted to anyway, have been planning to move to Europe for years, but when I left my last banking job they threatened to destroy our lives and to destroy any company that employed me in the US for two years. My attorney said we would eat them alive in court and estimated a win of about $30 million USD (they blocked me from taking a seven figure job with a UK bank with these threats) but that with their money we would be tied up in litigation for over a decade with no way for me to work. So my family would lose our houses, have no income and probably be unable to pay the lawyers and keep up the lawsuit and therefore, lose it and my kids would spend their entire childhoods with us penniless and in court hoping that some day, when they were adults, that it would pay off. We were almost certain to win, but the cost of winning would devastate a huge portion of our lives. So not worth the fight, even with the hope of a $30m payoff sometime down the road.
And you wonder why I'd be so quick to leave the country that enables that.
And yes, they directly told me that even moving across the country and bagging groceries fora living they wouldn't allow!
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Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
What could you do so awesomely that couldn't be replaced, even if it did take 10 people?
And why would they think they could trust you for even one second after threatening you in such a way?
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@Dashrender said:
Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
What could you do so awesomely that couldn't be replaced, even if it did take 10 people?
And why would they think they could trust you for even one second after threatening you in such a way?
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
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@Dashrender said:
And why would they think they could trust you for even one second after threatening you in such a way?
I mentioned that, actually, when they tried to force me to stay and work in the office while threatening me. I pointed to their own policies and said that, in good conscious, I couldn't violate policy by staying under a threat because that would violate internal security protocol. A bunch of people were like jaw dropping at that one, including my lead. They were like "that's the craziest, inappropriate, over the top thing ever." I literally made my lead walk to my desk, made him watch me blow away my own access and walk me out the front door through security to show that I was never alone in the office, never had access without being observed and could not get back in.
Believe it or not, when I was escorted back in for a meeting with the higher ups, they actually praised me for exactly following protocol and doing exactly what I should have done. I absolutely could not be trusted under such an adversarial situation. And it turns out they had been ready to walk me out and had already cut my access but no one had been told - they wanted to see if I would try to keep working or if I would force their hand. So it was an "ethics test" of sorts and I passed 100%.
They would have used that against me in court had I done anything else. Luckily I knew how to behave because not one non-manager in the office could believe it and thought I was nuts.
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@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
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@Dashrender said:
Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
Most important things that they could not let happen:
- Let it be publicly known that after they touted their "highest in the industry pay rates* that I was walking out for a 500% increase.
- Let it be known that the "new guy" beat out everyone else in the department, including the head of engineering, for the job.
- Let it be known that everyone in the department was out looking for other work and finding it.
- Let it be known that quitting was an option, because the department might do it en masse.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Holy crap - they wanted you to work for them so badly that they would basically make it impossible for you to work elsewhere.
Most important things that they could not let happen:
- Let it be publicly known that after they touted their "highest in the industry pay rates* that I was walking out for a 500% increase.
- Let it be known that the "new guy" beat out everyone else in the department, including the head of engineering, for the job.
- Let it be known that everyone in the department was out looking for other work and finding it.
- Let it be known that quitting was an option, because the department might do it en masse.
So how is it that you are working for NTG and not been destroyed yet?
Edit: And also, why can you not work in the US? because of that bank?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
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@dafyre said:
So how is it that you are working for NTG and not been destroyed yet?
I'm....
- Not working. I'm retired. Just doing research, writing and a degree these days.
- Not in the US.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
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I do have a pre-existing condition with NTG that allows the involvement that I have because that was part of my hiring agreement with the bank and could not be subject to the later limitations. They accepted that in my hiring package so it is what it is.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
Depending on cost of living where you are now, 90-120 might be a pay cut in your lifestyle when in NYC.
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
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@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
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@dafyre said:
Edit: And also, why can you not work in the US? because of that bank?
Correct, the bank will (and has) threatened anyone that tries to employee me. They won't just go after me, they will go after any employer. We'd both win, but we'd both have to be willing to tie up in court for forever. Far better to just leave the country and, thankfully, we had there wherewithal to retire early.
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@Dashrender said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
Depending on cost of living where you are now, 90-120 might be a pay cut in your lifestyle when in NYC.
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
I live in NJ so I would commute
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@wirestyle22 said:
@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
Gives you a little time to find a better paying job / get promotions / pay raises.
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@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@dafyre said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
It probably degraded into that once they realized he wouldn't be staying regardless of what they offered
Well, they started getting crazy, like offering me a fraction of my offer from the UK bank and acting like it was a good offer.
I can't tell if the amount you've been paid in your life is realistic or just because you're more knowledgeable and most likely a better negotiator than I am. To me $70k a year would be enough for what I do currently, but I know I could make 90-120 in NYC. Comfort matters to me more than money to some degree--not that I would say I'm particularly comfortable here currently.
My fiance and I are talking about having a child and building a house. Two expensive things that require me to make more money than what I currently make. Decisions decisions.
If you have the room now, I vote kid first, lol.
Kid would be fine for a few years but we would need to expand
Gives you a little time to find a better paying job / get promotions / pay raises.
In theory. I think I suffer from imposter syndrome sometimes
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@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think I'd have to make $200K+ to equal what I make here if I moved to NYC.
People say that but it just isn't true. $200K is serious scratch even in Manhattan. Even with quite a bit less than that you are doing things like buying houses and BMWs on a whim.
If you make $80K in the midwest, you need a little over $100K in NYC to be equivalent, more or less. There are places in Minnesota that cost more than Manhattan. The "high cost of NYC" is a myth.
I've actually never been, I'll have to take your word for it.
