Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch Would you be more likely to hire a person you like who is personable or someone who has a higher degree of technical knowledge? Assuming they have the same work ethic.
We are a consultancy. That means that I need both of those skills. So it will be a balancing act. I have to have employees that are knowledgeable and personable.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
wow, I was typing something very similar to this, when the thread refreshed, and you beat me to it.... I couldn't agree more
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
I think he means that scheduling around your job is very inconvenient and he wouldn't choose that for himself. I don't think that's unreasonable. Different jobs work for different people.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
yup and my comments do not change. I do not want to work 7 days a week. Even if you are only putting in an average of 42 hours a week, you are still putting in time each day therefore not taking time off to do other things.
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@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
Whenever they want. Just had one of our guys gone for 3 weeks to South Africa.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
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@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
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@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
What do you want? All the soft things? They are in the rate.
You want paid vacation? I can do that, but then I'll drop your hourly rate accordingly. A little basic math will show that you can easily come out ahead by taking the higher hourly rate instead. Save up your money yourself for your time off. If you cannot budget, then that is not my problem.Basically, think of every little soft add on that you want. for every $100/month it costs that comes out to ~$0.63 per hour. Insurance, paid time off, etc.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
meh ....
What about, in terms of Quality Of Life ? Job Satisfaction ? Personal/Professional enrichment ?
btw, Quality of Life is not to be confused with Packet life or Quality of Service .. for all you "live IT" , dedicated , 24x7 available, type of IT guy ...
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
Whenever they want. Just had one of our guys gone for 3 weeks to South Africa.
Unpaid? Lame. What if I wanted to take an impromptu weekend trip, guess that's out of the question since I'm on call 25/8. Plus, from reading your posts here, I already knew I'd never want to work for you.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
Seriously ? Is that all an employee can expect from your company ? An hourly wage ? pity ...
I'm sure they have healthcare, dental, vision, 401k, etc too. What is to be expected?
Actually, nope nothing except an IRA match. Everything else is in the rate.
wow, just wow. I would never work for you then if this is the attitude you have towards your employees.
Break out of your 8-5 and 2 weeks vacation mentality. It is amazingly refreshing.
Why is it so wrong to want to know which 40-ish hours you'll be working each week? Knowing when your time off is, that's refreshing. Knowing that I'm not expected to jump up and run at 3am on a weekend is refreshing. Constant on-call hell (with no benefits) for a tiny bit more than I make is not.
It's not wrong. Different jobs work for different people. I wouldn't do that either personally. I wouldn't judge someone for taking it either though.
EDIT: I stand corrected. I also made the assumption it was on call.
