Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab
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"Live IT"
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"24 hours Shift"
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"24/7 so while it might seem unfair it is life"
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if when you are at work you are..working
wow ... based on your posts, it seems like you're running a really tight ship ... I could be wrong, ofcourse.. I see these as red-flags ... personally, I would not want to work in this environment ....but, that's just me ...
We focus primarily on "Satisfaction" ,and not just profits. ...be it with our team-mates, or with our client .. ofcourse, we too set high standards for ourselves - a high quality of life ..
Although, we provide round-the-clock services to a few clients, who have 24 hr operations, no one from my organization has ever pulled a 24 hr work shift ... If a client requires 24 hrs or service or support from us, we have 3 team-mates working, each for 8 hours.. Over-n-above, there's one person on stand-by, to fill-in, just incase 1 person cant make it, for some reason .. Plus, the shifts are rotated (it is decided by the 3 of the above persons)
Taking work home, for most parts is discouraged... Ofcourse, if you want to learn/practice @ you home-lab, on your time, we certainly can't/won't stop you... However, we certainly don't encourage it .. .. We encourage our team-mates to have a life, apart from IT .... Using the office lab to learn, test, crash, burn, experiment etc etc, is highly encouraged .... providing you're willing to share the knowledge, findings, test-results, outcome etc ... I don't think anyone even has a home-lab .. Most of us find time to learn something new, and improve our skills sets, at the office-lab ( plus a couple of instances on AWS) is used extensively for that, by everyone...
No one in our organization actually works ....cause we're all just doing what we love, and are passionate bout it, and dedicated to it.... For most parts nothing is really forced-upon anyone ...However, what we've all agreed to, and practice, is a continuous improvement cycle - On a organizational level, professional level and personal level ..
We're a small team of 13, so I guess this works for us ... Oh, and there's no boss ... no employee ... Although, the company was founded by me, I'm not the sole owner.. all 13 of us are..
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@david.wiese said
This is my opinion. You absolutely shouldn't need to have a home lab to get into IT and to make your way up the ladder and shouldn't be considered when hiring. Those that can afford to great, the more power to you. But those that cannot (me) shouldn't be ruled out just because we don't fit the "ideal candidate" that the company has set forth.
Should you be excluded from jobs because you lack
- A degree
- A certification
- A zip code
Companies get to pick and choose their candidates for a number of reasons, NTG has made a choice that those with a home lab are more likely to be the ideal candidate same way another company will say those with whatever magical quality they seek, will be the ideal candidate.
I would say you ABSOLUTELY should not have to get a degree to get a job in IT but look at the number of jobs that explicitly require it before they will even touch you.
Just my 2 cents.
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@Breffni-Potter
@Breffni-Potter said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said
This is my opinion. You absolutely shouldn't need to have a home lab to get into IT and to make your way up the ladder and shouldn't be considered when hiring. Those that can afford to great, the more power to you. But those that cannot (me) shouldn't be ruled out just because we don't fit the "ideal candidate" that the company has set forth.
Should you be excluded from jobs because you lack
- A degree
- A certification
- A zip code
Companies get to pick and choose their candidates for a number of reasons, NTG has made a choice that those with a home lab are more likely to be the ideal candidate same way another company will say those with whatever magical quality they seek, will be the ideal candidate.
I would say you ABSOLUTELY should not have to get a degree to get a job in IT but look at the number of jobs that explicitly require it before they will even touch you.
Just my 2 cents.
Nope, you shouldn't be excluded. Personality and people skills tumps technical knowledge to some degree.
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@david.wiese said
Nope, you shouldn't be excluded. Personality and people skills tumps technical knowledge to some degree.
HR says you are worthless to the company without a degree. I don't care what experience or personality or qualities you have, no degree, no interview.
That's backwards and stupid thinking I know but it keeps happening.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said
Nope, you shouldn't be excluded. Personality and people skills tumps technical knowledge to some degree.
HR says you are worthless to the company without a degree. I don't care what experience or personality or qualities you have, no degree, no interview.
That's backwards and stupid thinking I know but it keeps happening.
Yep, it's a rather unfortunate reality ...
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@Breffni-Potter
@Breffni-Potter said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said
This is my opinion. You absolutely shouldn't need to have a home lab to get into IT and to make your way up the ladder and shouldn't be considered when hiring. Those that can afford to great, the more power to you. But those that cannot (me) shouldn't be ruled out just because we don't fit the "ideal candidate" that the company has set forth.
Should you be excluded from jobs because you lack
- A degree
- A certification
- A zip code
Companies get to pick and choose their candidates for a number of reasons, NTG has made a choice that those with a home lab are more likely to be the ideal candidate same way another company will say those with whatever magical quality they seek, will be the ideal candidate.
I would say you ABSOLUTELY should not have to get a degree to get a job in IT but look at the number of jobs that explicitly require it before they will even touch you.
Just my 2 cents.
Nope, you shouldn't be excluded. Personality and people skills tumps technical knowledge to some degree.
I'm a generally well liked person, professionally and personally. I do not think my people skills and personality trump my lack of knowledge in any capacity.
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I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
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@JaredBusch Would you be more likely to hire a person you like who is personable or someone who has a higher degree of technical knowledge? Assuming they have the same work ethic.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
Sounds like sweatshop torture. Not even with a gun to my balls would I take a job like that.
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
Sounds like sweatshop torture. Not even with a gun to my balls would I take a job like that.
Do you even understand math? 42 hours per week comes out to 6 hours a day if you work 7 days a week. Sometimes I work 10 or 12 hours days. But I still only work 42 hours a week on average. This would obviously mean that I did not work all 7 days in that week.
The same for the hours. There are 24 hours in a day and I work 6 on average. That means the other 18 are mine to do what I please.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
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@wirestyle22 said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch Would you be more likely to hire a person you like who is personable or someone who has a higher degree of technical knowledge? Assuming they have the same work ethic.
We are a consultancy. That means that I need both of those skills. So it will be a balancing act. I have to have employees that are knowledgeable and personable.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
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@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
wow, I was typing something very similar to this, when the thread refreshed, and you beat me to it.... I couldn't agree more
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
I think he means that scheduling around your job is very inconvenient and he wouldn't choose that for himself. I don't think that's unreasonable. Different jobs work for different people.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
yup and my comments do not change. I do not want to work 7 days a week. Even if you are only putting in an average of 42 hours a week, you are still putting in time each day therefore not taking time off to do other things.
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@Veet said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.In return what can an employee expect from the organization ?
Depending on skill, an hourly rate between $30 and $50.
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@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
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@RojoLoco said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@david.wiese said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@JaredBusch said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I will add to this discussion with this.
When I look to hire another person for @Bundy-Associates that I will most certainly be looking for the self motivated person that is going to be able to work in a very atypical environment compared to most places.
Someone with a lab environment that teaches themselves outside of work will most certainly rank over some 8-5 working Joe. @david-wiese and @RojoLoco will most certainly not be employed by me.
I work 24/7. I may only average 6 to 8 hours per day and 42 hours per week. But those hours are spread out over all 24 hours of the day and all 7 days of the week.
Any employee of ours will be expected to do the same.
I personally wouldn't want to work for an organization like that. I value my time and would not be expected to work like that. That sounds horrible. I guess for positions like that it takes a special kind of person that has no life outside of the job.
Also that description right there is what is wrong with the American culture. To much emphasis put on work and not enough put on life outside of it. Like I have already stated, I work to live, not live to work.
Read the reply I made about about math and hours.
How can one expect to enjoy free time when the employer expects them to be on call 24/7??? Even at 42 hours a week, the expectation of 'round the clock availability kinda negates any off the clock planning. When do your employees get a break / vacation / whatever you want to call it?
Whenever they want. Just had one of our guys gone for 3 weeks to South Africa.
