Virtualization Redemption?
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@anonymous said:
@coliver said:
While this is true, he may not have to do either of those things depending on how his applications are setup.
What about backups?
You could easily backup the virtual machines on ESXi Free... you just couldn't do it at the host level. Does this deminish some of the value of virtualization? Yes but it is valid none-the-less.
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He needs to setup HA fail over between the three host using what he has.
That is going to cost him at least 5K with VMware.....
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@Dashrender said:
He's looking for a DR solution. If either of the two servers at his main site die, those servers need to be running at the remote DC in as little time as possible.
He is using AD and SQL two applications that have built in replication, he could setup a VPN connection and replicate over that. My biggest question is can the ERX and SRS applications be run in the configuration as well. Or do they pull from AD and SQL if it is the latter then that just makes this much easier.
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One year of VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit is $5,439.00
Hyper V is free, and doesn't require shared storage.
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My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.
Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.
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XenServer also has a fully free solution which is all inclusive, which also doesn't require shared storage.
And again, this doesn't provide any help to the OP.
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@anonymous said:
One year of VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit is $5,439.00
Hyper V is free, and doesn't requested shared storage.
Do any of the big vendor require shared storage? I don't think so but I'm probably wrong. Last I saw Xen, Hyper-V, and VMWare can do shared nothing replication.
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@Dashrender said:
My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.
Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.
Right but that won't work with ESXi Free.
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@anonymous said:
One year of VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit is $5,439.00
Hyper V is free, and doesn't require shared storage.
The client would only have to become licensed once at the very least to have the rights to use HA.
But, as each host has 2 sockets this is going to be a rough sell.
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Not to mention all the Microsoft licensing costs..... Everyone of the VM's now needs SA.
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The VM's should already be properly licensed. SA isn't a requirement as far as I'm aware.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.
Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.
Right but that won't work with ESXi Free.
Of course not, moving to Hyper-V or finding a solution that works in Xen would be required.... or he could buy ESXi - but that seems like a waste of money to me.. even if it is only $600 - I suppose the time spent converting could be higher than $600, so that might be one reason to keep ESXi in the short term.
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@anonymous said:
Not to mention all the Microsoft licensing costs..... Everyone of the VM's now needs SA.
Can you get a source on this. I haven't seen any SA requirements for hyper-v.
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@DustinB3403 said:
The VM's should already be properly licensed. SA isn't a requirement as far as I'm aware.
You can't move the Windows Licenses except once every 90 days (legally) unless you license each machine for Windows Server Datacenter edition.
I don't think SA gives you the right to move a VM between hosts.
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@Dashrender said:
@DustinB3403 said:
The VM's should already be properly licensed. SA isn't a requirement as far as I'm aware.
You can't move the Windows Licenses except once every 90 days (legally) unless you license each machine for Windows Server Datacenter edition.
I don't think SA gives you the right to move a VM between hosts.
Does this also count for HA (On any platform?)
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.
Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.
Right but that won't work with ESXi Free.
Of course not, moving to Hyper-V or finding a solution that works in Xen would be required.... or he could buy ESXi - but that seems like a waste of money to me.. even if it is only $600 - I suppose the time spent converting could be higher than $600, so that might be one reason to keep ESXi in the short term.
My assumption was that @hubtechagain couldn't change hypervisors as he is stuck with what was provided. I'm not sure though.
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And if SA doesn't grant that right, is it already included, or is it required that you pay Microsoft for a different license?
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SA does give you the right to move VM from Host to Host!
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender said:
@DustinB3403 said:
The VM's should already be properly licensed. SA isn't a requirement as far as I'm aware.
You can't move the Windows Licenses except once every 90 days (legally) unless you license each machine for Windows Server Datacenter edition.
I don't think SA gives you the right to move a VM between hosts.
Does this also count for HA (On any platform?)
Yes.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
My thought is to use something like Appassure or any backup product that will not only backup the VMs but also push the VM in a ready to start state to another VM host, i.e. his host at the remote DC.
Sure he'd lose whatever new data was made since the last backup, but the amount of downtime would be minimal. The old server dies, he simply starts up the VM on the remote VM Host.
Right but that won't work with ESXi Free.
Of course not, moving to Hyper-V or finding a solution that works in Xen would be required.... or he could buy ESXi - but that seems like a waste of money to me.. even if it is only $600 - I suppose the time spent converting could be higher than $600, so that might be one reason to keep ESXi in the short term.
My assumption was that @hubtechagain couldn't change hypervisors as he is stuck with what was provided. I'm not sure though.
He is not stuck on any hypervisor, he can move at will.
