So, Microsoft Made a Virtual XBOX 360
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@scottalanmiller said:
No, can't use HyperV. HyperV is a type one, bare metal hypervisor and doesn't do what you are imagining. This is old school emulation - the only thing you can do when you are using two different architectures. This is the same stuff that Sony and Nintendo (and tons and tons of people do at home) for decades. Even one of NTG's founders @andyw built a full virtual stack for a Nintendo platform for fun over a week or two.
This isn't big news, it's a baseline that was expected by the industry since the moment the Xbox One was announced.
This is no different than how the Wii plays SNES games.
Such a spoil sport
@scottalanmiller said:
If you are interested in game emulation, you can get emulators for pretty much any game system ever made, including the one off arcade systems, for your PC.
Yes, but the propaganda surrounding this one is infinitely better.
@scottalanmiller said:
And even for the Xbox 360, Microsoft is late to the game. The hobby community already did this...
The modding community is always the first to the punch, and usually with better results
@scottalanmiller said:
The XBOX 360 itself has an XBOX emulator in it.
I remember that now. Some good times were had.
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That's how I first played Fable, emulated on the 360. Now I have the remake for the PC.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@nadnerB said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Every computer made, essentially, has free emulation available out there. Much of it is better than the original hardware!
I think you've made that point in about 4 different ways
That you can and it is a theory is one thing. That it has been done for every platform available is quite another. It's a vibrant, old community.
What? Making the same point but with different words?
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the good news is once they crack this, they can port the xbox 360 emulator over to the PC
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@Nic said:
the good news is once they crack this, they can port the xbox 360 emulator over to the PC
Do you think that... Mouse and Keyboard? That'd be awesome!
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@nadnerB said:
@Nic said:
the good news is once they crack this, they can port the xbox 360 emulator over to the PC
Do you think that... Mouse and Keyboard? That'd be awesome!
Mouse and keyboard controls for a game designed for a controller can be pretty janky. Trying to play Mario 64 with a keyboard is painful.
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@coliver Yeah, it doesn't work for everything but it might just work for Halo
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@coliver said:
@nadnerB said:
@Nic said:
the good news is once they crack this, they can port the xbox 360 emulator over to the PC
Do you think that... Mouse and Keyboard? That'd be awesome!
Mouse and keyboard controls for a game designed for a controller can be pretty janky. Trying to play Mario 64 with a keyboard is painful.
There are adapters to let you plug in the original controllers in many cases now.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@nadnerB said:
@Nic said:
the good news is once they crack this, they can port the xbox 360 emulator over to the PC
Do you think that... Mouse and Keyboard? That'd be awesome!
Mouse and keyboard controls for a game designed for a controller can be pretty janky. Trying to play Mario 64 with a keyboard is painful.
There are adapters to let you plug in the original controllers in many cases now.
True, the Xbox 360 controller is really nice for PCs though, and with a quick driver update works really well for Macs. Much better then the original n64 controller.
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The N64 controller, like the Gamecube controller and really every Nintendo controller since the SNES, has been complete garbage.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The N64 controller, like the Gamecube controller and really every Nintendo controller since the SNES, has been complete garbage.
Oddly, I like the GameCube controller. I thought it fit in the hand better then the Xbox or dual-shock controller did.
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The GameCube controller was a bit weird. I never owned one but using one when playing with my mates I found it fairly awkward. The Dual Shock was better IMO but the 360's controller was the best... but even that has nothing on my keyboard and mouse
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@nadnerB said:
The GameCube controller was a bit weird. I never owned one but using one when playing with my mates I found it fairly awkward. The Dual Shock was better IMO but the 360's controller was the best... but even that has nothing on my keyboard and mouse
For sure PC Master Race all the way.
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@scottalanmiller said:
No, can't use HyperV. HyperV is a type one, bare metal hypervisor
Are you sure? I am pretty sure it is a version of HyperV.
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@anonymous said:
@scottalanmiller said:
No, can't use HyperV. HyperV is a type one, bare metal hypervisor
Are you sure? I am pretty sure it is a version of HyperV.
That wouldn't make much sense though. The Xbox One OS would then have to be running on top of Hyper-V as well. It would make more sense to emulate the Xbox 360 hardware and run it in software emulation on the Xbox One then have both OS's running on top of a bare metal hyper visor.
Is Hyper-V able to emulate the PowerPC architecture? I thought it was x86 only. I could be wrong there.
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@coliver said:
The Xbox One OS would then have to be running on top of Hyper-V as well.
That's what I've read. That Xbox One runs a custom version of Hyper-V.
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I did some research on Hyper-V tonight as I was unsure if it's implementation into Windows 8 was a type 2 or a type 1 as @scottalanmiller has stated.
Turns out it is indeed a type 1. Have a read of this
http://garvis.ca/2012/01/03/layer-1-or-layer-2-hypervisor-a-common-misconception-of-hyper-v-and-a-brief-explanation-of-the-parent-partition/ -
@Carnival-Boy said:
@coliver said:
The Xbox One OS would then have to be running on top of Hyper-V as well.
That's what I've read. That Xbox One runs a custom version of Hyper-V.
I haven't read that, but that very well may be the case. Microsoft is really pushing the one-os design and running everything on top of a hypervisor would make that easier to realize. My thinking was that the performance hit would be significant enough to where a hypervisor in this regard would be unusable.
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@nadnerB said:
I did some research on Hyper-V tonight as I was unsure if it's implementation into Windows 8 was a type 2 or a type 1 as @scottalanmiller has stated.
It can't be switched around, the technology to make a type 1 and to make a type 2 are very different. There is no hypervisor yet made that can be both (and little need for such a thing.)
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@coliver said:
Is Hyper-V able to emulate the PowerPC architecture? I thought it was x86 only. I could be wrong there.
That's a completely different task than standard virtualization.
