Network Administrator I- Discussion
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I am seeing in the market take a dive for pay rates in the more rural areas these days. There is an MSP in Rochester that is paying their Engineering people $15/hour. Their helpdesk get $9/hour. They also only charge customers around $75/hour though so what can you expect?
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Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Well, I know a few of the places I interviewed for have outsource those jobs overseas instead of hiring. It seems to be a trend. Most of them were Linux Admins, System Admins or network Admins. Apparently they can hire firms over there to do it much cheaper and then just pay an inexperienced techs $9 for desktops/hardware stuff. Seems dumb, especially at the thousands of employees level.
That's the standard offshoring model. Companies have been doing it for forever. SMB customers have a tendency to not care about quality, only price, so offshoring makes you almost unbeatable.
I was offshore support for Europe for much of my career.
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Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Seems like it was predicted already that many of the IT jobs will be offshored by 2016 http://www.informationweek.com/it-strategy/270000-more-it-jobs-headed-offshore/d/d-id/1103494
That's been predicted continuously since the 1990s. It never ends. The reality is is that it is an ebb and flow. Companies see lower prices and go overseas. Then they get low quality work or legal issues and come back to the expensive countries.
There are places that are logical to have a lot of IT work and the US is generally not one of them. Doing work in the US where prices are high is not super sensible, but it is better than say the UK or Norway where prices are even higher. You can get really good work from, say, Spain for far less money - often for people with better training. But going to someplace like India leaves you with little control and major legal hassles that diminish the value.
There is no major outpouring of IT jobs. The top reason that IT jobs leave the States is because the US lacks the number of people able to or willing to do the jobs. Hiring IT in the US is generally hard as there is a lack of people willing to do the jobs in the places where the jobs need to be done. And once you are forced to hire remote workers, why would you hire people in expensive, but equally remote, locations?
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@scottalanmiller said:
At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.
Depends on what part of Orlando like anything else. Orlando is actually quite expensive compared to where I live. Within the city of Orlando, the cost is higher than where I live. Even though the area I live in is much nicer and less crowded. I live in Merritt Island.
Yellow - highest cost of living
Purple - in the middle
Orange - cheapest cost of living
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And white is empty?
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@scottalanmiller said:
And white is empty?
Cocoa along I95 should be Orange. I just missed putting the orange there. The area between Orlando and the coast that is swamp and alligators.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@IRJ said:
is swamp and alligators.
That better be high paying, with good insurance! haha
I don't know too many companies that operate out of the swamp and have IT needs.
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@scottalanmiller said:
At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.
You can get rooms around Disney World (Kissimee) for around $70 a night (heck I've even got mostly crappy rooms for $35 a night). Things were definitely a lot less expensive than my trip to Cali.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
At least Orlando is a very low cost of living and no state income tax. At least I think the cost of living is low. That's what I have heard.
You can get rooms around Disney World (Kissimee) for around $70 a night (heck I've even got mostly crappy rooms for $35 a night). Things were definitely a lot less expensive than my trip to Cali.
Yup, we go there all the time. Once or twice a year.
Hoping with the new changes in our lives that I can avoid going there for a long time. We were in Orlando for ten days and left for Spain directly from Orlando airport back in March!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Hiring IT in the US is generally hard as there is a lack of people willing to do the jobs in the places where the jobs need to be done. And once you are forced to hire remote workers, why would you hire people in expensive, but equally remote, locations?
Of course, because the pay in those areas is horrible!
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But you get great perks, like free gator meat.
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@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
But you get great perks, like free gator meat.
Gator is quite delicious
I had it in 1994, it was good for meat.
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@scottalanmiller Reminds me of a company around here. They constantly have a position open (probably because it sucks). They call it an "Entry Level DBA." It's literally a phone support person who responds to alerts from Big Brother on client's systems.
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller Reminds me of a company around here. They constantly have a position open (probably because it sucks). They call it an "Entry Level DBA." It's literally a phone support person who responds to alerts from Big Brother on client's systems.
How does this remind you of that? We found someone pretty quickly since we paid much higher than mean salary in our area. Do a quick job search and Orlando and you will find the pay to be quite high. Also, I don't know of many salary jobs that only require 40-42 hours 90% of the time. So that also needs to be taken into consideration.
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@IRJ said:
@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller Reminds me of a company around here. They constantly have a position open (probably because it sucks). They call it an "Entry Level DBA." It's literally a phone support person who responds to alerts from Big Brother on client's systems.
How does this remind you of that? We found someone pretty quickly since we paid much higher than mean salary in our area. Do a quick job search and Orlando and you will find the pay to be quite high. Also, I don't know of many salary jobs that only require 40-42 hours 90% of the time. So that also needs to be taken into consideration.
It's not that it isn't a good job, it's that the posting follows a very well known pattern in IT that generally leads to really bad jobs. No matter what the job is, it is only because we know you that we even think that it is real. If you weren't personally vouching for this req, we'd not even think it was from a serious company.
